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Old 01-26-2018 | 04:24 AM
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ALPA merger policy and arbitration. As the United guys learned....an arbitrator does not have to follow the merger policy. The unions follow it in negotiations. The bottom line is when you go to arbitration that means you failed and now an arbitrator has to figure it out. They can use all, some or none of the merger policy. If they choose to use the merger policy, they can interpret and weigh the policy however they want. In their minds....you failed and this is what you get and there’s nothing you can do about it. They can do whatever the heck they want to be honest. Just ask United about the arbitrator’s 787 decision. So if you’re hanging your hat on an arbitrator following the policy...get ready to be surprised...or disappointed.
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Old 01-26-2018 | 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Moose
ALPA merger policy and arbitration. As the United guys learned....an arbitrator does not have to follow the merger policy. The unions follow it in negotiations. The bottom line is when you go to arbitration that means you failed and now an arbitrator has to figure it out. They can use all, some or none of the merger policy. If they choose to use the merger policy, they can interpret and weigh the policy however they want. In their minds....you failed and this is what you get and there’s nothing you can do about it. They can do whatever the heck they want to be honest. Just ask United about the arbitrator’s 787 decision. So if you’re hanging your hat on an arbitrator following the policy...get ready to be surprised...or disappointed.
Hard to not go to arbitration... if the merging MECs agree to anything, no matter how reasonable, some folks on both sides would likely blame them for "selling out". Tough position.
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Old 01-26-2018 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Hard to not go to arbitration... if the merging MECs agree to anything, no matter how reasonable, some folks on both sides would likely blame them for "selling out". Tough position.
I don’t see any other way.
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Old 01-26-2018 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Snuffaluffagus
Yawn, more stuff to try and divide us. No wonder we will never have scope if we keep this dick measuring contest up.
Bingo.

All postulation. One thing is for certain after going thru three negotiations, no amount of speculation or *****ing changes one thing.
Usually just affects ones own happiness and production.
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Old 01-26-2018 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Just a Lurker
This whole thread is ridiculous. Run the formula presented and you get the VX guys hired in 2008 who upgraded in 2010-11 placed below AS guys hired in 2012 who have yet to upgrade. That defies Category / Class and is a definite windfall for many. It flies in the face of ALPA merger policy which, though many don’t want to accept, will govern this process.
Your assumptions are off... But yes some groups at each company are going to cry “foul”. There is a large group at VX that would benefit significantly from a DH integration. VX negotiators are definitely putting putting the career of the top 50-150 in front of the majority. We will see how that works out. Come on you can’t have it both ways. So putting a 79 hire with a 07 is fair but a 2010 hire can’t be near a 2012 hire. Half of the VX pilots will end up in the top 50-58 percent of the new seniority list. That is more then fair. VX pilots seniority in current base will move forward unharmed, in position and status.

A FA walking through the C Concourse gave me the SLI numbers.

>23 percent of VX pilots either have PNW addresses on file or proximity is closer to address on file.

How does this destroy unity. Soon we will all look at numbers and they will be final. So pretending this is not going to happen builds unity?
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Old 01-26-2018 | 12:42 PM
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This entire thread is moot and irrelevant, SLI, just like the JCBA is going to arbitration and it will be just another thing that both pilot groups complain about from years to come.
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Old 01-26-2018 | 02:29 PM
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This entire thread is moot and irrelevant, SLI, just like the JCBA is going to arbitration and it will be just another thing that both pilot groups complain about from years to come.
To the pit of misery we go!
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Old 01-26-2018 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by pete2800
To the pit of misery we go!
B*tching all the way. Pointlessly.
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Old 01-27-2018 | 11:57 AM
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Old 01-28-2018 | 07:26 AM
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look at the last 4 Seniority list integrations, SWA & Airtran being a rare exception, and you will see how this is going to go... ever heard of ‘relative seniority’...😉
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