SLI reality check fo VX
01-25-2018 | 12:24 PM
#31
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What I wrote is not divisive, they are just numbers. Unless the two other arbiters see it 180 degrees different this is what you will see within pennies come late summer. I want nothing but good for every VX pilot. I am sure 99% of you are awesome. I want long incredible careers for us all. I write numbers and am called an idiot, sent hate messages. Really? I am sorry but when have I been wrong... Who has given you better info or numbers? I give numbers and until they are proven true I am accosted by haters.
01-25-2018 | 01:47 PM
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Wow... SLI police. I get it only spread lies on this website and you are ok. Anything with any truth to it and you get locked up. There is no financial information given out, no national security information. I guess this anonymous website is worthless then, we can only lye or disseminate known or trivial information. I can only imagine what my penance will be. Hopefully, some more time off. I will stop posting now because the bullies aren’t getting their way and are try to shutdown the dissemination of information.
01-25-2018 | 02:48 PM
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Why should only a few be intrusted with information. How or who does this knowledge hurt. We are all big boys and girls. We can reason through information just as well as anyone else. Why all the secrecy. Who are we protecting. Oh I know the union masons are protecting us from our selves. Are we surfs living under Kings or in a aristocracy? I think most people want to know what is really going on. Attorneys get paid, arbiters get paid, we all get screwed and gladly pay their exorbitant fees. So you guys get me fired... I am the bad guy.
01-25-2018 | 02:55 PM
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Why should only a few be intrusted with information. How or who does this knowledge hurt. We are all big boys and girls. We can reason through information just as well as anyone else. Why all the secrecy. Who are we protecting. Oh I know the union masons are protecting us from our selves. Are we surfs living under Kings or in a aristocracy? I think most people want to know what is really going on. Attorneys get paid, arbiters get paid, we all get screwed and gladly pay their exorbitant fees. So you guys get me fired... I am the bad guy.
Of course I didn't sign any NDA.
01-25-2018 | 02:57 PM
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I asked you a simple question. “Where did you get your information from?” Then you went on a diatribe on different types of feudalism. Were you at the table or heard about what was spoken at the table with the mediator, or were you just throwing out a WAG?
01-25-2018 | 05:16 PM
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Personally, this SLI formula would be great in putting a lot of the PBS kids in the lower half of the bidding stack in any base. Gone would be the terrible idea that PBS works under the current CBA work rules as all Airbus pilots would feel the effects of the Emperors optimizer at mediocre seniority. Best way to achieve a common goal is to show the few with 9 years seniority over at Brand X what life is like at mid to low seniority at Alaska so in 2020 real unity can swat at the meager first scraps thrown to a vote during Section 6 negotiations
01-25-2018 | 07:18 PM
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Why should only a few be intrusted with information. How or who does this knowledge hurt. We are all big boys and girls. We can reason through information just as well as anyone else. Why all the secrecy. Who are we protecting. Oh I know the union masons are protecting us from our selves. Are we surfs living under Kings or in a aristocracy? I think most people want to know what is really going on. Attorneys get paid, arbiters get paid, we all get screwed and gladly pay their exorbitant fees. So you guys get me fired... I am the bad guy.
If anything, all you are saying is that AS and VX negotiators are standing their ground, instead of giving in. I'd expect nothing less. I hope both sides are having beers together while agreeing that an arbitrator is the only way to go on the SLI. As in, we're all in this together--which is the opposite of your juvenile/divisive tone.
01-25-2018 | 07:31 PM
#39
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I do think most pilots at VX need to look at these numbers.
Migration numbers based on address on file.
Reasonable migration numbers
VX pilots to SEA and PDX > 23%
VX pilots to ANC < 1%
AS pilots to SFO < 1%
AS pilots to JFK < 1%
So who’s career has any real possibility of being impacted? VX pilots...no only Alaska Pacific Northwest pilots have anything to lose in this SLI. How is any VX pilot career going to be harmed by this merger? LAX maybe if you are really trying to stretch for any uncertainty. You all are going to be just fine!
Migration numbers based on address on file.
Reasonable migration numbers
VX pilots to SEA and PDX > 23%
VX pilots to ANC < 1%
AS pilots to SFO < 1%
AS pilots to JFK < 1%
So who’s career has any real possibility of being impacted? VX pilots...no only Alaska Pacific Northwest pilots have anything to lose in this SLI. How is any VX pilot career going to be harmed by this merger? LAX maybe if you are really trying to stretch for any uncertainty. You all are going to be just fine!
Where do you get these “migration” percentages?
01-26-2018 | 03:38 AM
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This whole thread is ridiculous. Run the formula presented and you get the VX guys hired in 2008 who upgraded in 2010-11 placed below AS guys hired in 2012 who have yet to upgrade. That defies Category / Class and is a definite windfall for many. It flies in the face of ALPA merger policy which, though many don’t want to accept, will govern this process.
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