SLI reality check fo VX
01-24-2018 | 10:34 AM
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SLI reality check fo VX
Pretty tough day at the negotiating table for VX. Wonder if they will stay dug in or listen to the mediator? I am sure when this is done late summer the Alaska side will be accused of buying the SLI. Reality fair is fair everyone sees it clearly but the VX negotiators.
01-24-2018 | 11:23 AM
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You got your trolling poles down, downriggers out, bow pointed into the swell and you're ready to fish!
Seriously, we have no idea how the SLI will turn out. Everyone has their own personal opinion on what is fair. Guess what - that means absolutely jack squat.
There is probably a retard at VX that thinks that their #1 man at 9 years is equal to our #1 man at 39 years. There is probably a retard at AS that thinks that VX should just be stapled.
None of it, absolutely none of it, is in any way shape or form in our control. We will all simply find out in Sept 2018.
Seriously, we have no idea how the SLI will turn out. Everyone has their own personal opinion on what is fair. Guess what - that means absolutely jack squat.
There is probably a retard at VX that thinks that their #1 man at 9 years is equal to our #1 man at 39 years. There is probably a retard at AS that thinks that VX should just be stapled.
None of it, absolutely none of it, is in any way shape or form in our control. We will all simply find out in Sept 2018.
01-24-2018 | 01:32 PM
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The ONLY opinions that matter are the three arbitrators. They will make up their minds after ten days of hearings and several months digging through the facts presented. Neither Merger Committees have any clue at this point how things will fall. IF they are sharing an assessment at this point it is only speculative at best. Good mediators excel at applying pressure to push the sides closer, it doesn’t mean they believe what they are saying or will follow through on statements made. Arbitration starts at square one (except for anything agreed to by the parties that carries over).
01-24-2018 | 02:47 PM
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I have a friend at United who still complains about a Continental ‘06 DOH next to him as a late 90s hire. If they’re complaining about a 7 yr difference I cannot even imagine what it will be here. Is that our Alaska proposal above?
01-24-2018 | 03:06 PM
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When TWA was bought by AA, there was an offset of about 10 years. 40% or so were stapled to the bottom.
Then 9/11 happened and most of those stapled were promptly furloughed. Retirement went from age 60 to age 65. Most of the furloughed were out for better part of a decade.
The TWA FA had it more extreme. They were totally stapled. Meaning the #1 35 year TWA FA was stapled below the 7 MONTH newest AA FA.
What is done is done. Most everyone licked their wounds and has moved on. It is what it is.
But I share this so when the SLI comes out, no matter who thinks they ‘lost’ or were ‘cheated’, there are pilots (and FA) in this industry who had it worse. You will be treated much better, so grouse, complain, argue; but eventually get over it and move on.
Then 9/11 happened and most of those stapled were promptly furloughed. Retirement went from age 60 to age 65. Most of the furloughed were out for better part of a decade.
The TWA FA had it more extreme. They were totally stapled. Meaning the #1 35 year TWA FA was stapled below the 7 MONTH newest AA FA.
What is done is done. Most everyone licked their wounds and has moved on. It is what it is.
But I share this so when the SLI comes out, no matter who thinks they ‘lost’ or were ‘cheated’, there are pilots (and FA) in this industry who had it worse. You will be treated much better, so grouse, complain, argue; but eventually get over it and move on.
01-24-2018 | 07:16 PM
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01-24-2018 | 07:58 PM
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#623 at Alaska is a 1/2000 hire date and 1803 at Alaska is 11/16. I thought they were supposed to merge everyone from announcement. From my dumb math, the first 100 guys at Virgin, whom are senior line holders, would round out next to an Alaska hire date of 2011, which is an FO and is about 100 from upgrade....
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01-24-2018 | 10:41 PM
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Can you put this out as an equation, like if you were number 250 at VX? Does this mean 68 virgin guys get molded into the first 477 slots from 623-1100 and then 285 VX guys get molded in from 1100-1195 (Not sure if that's right because its only 95 spots your inferring or if its only 31 guys???), and finally 152 guys VX guys get molded into the last 1803 spots?
#623 at Alaska is a 1/2000 hire date and 1803 at Alaska is 11/16. I thought they were supposed to merge everyone from announcement. From my dumb math, the first 100 guys at Virgin, whom are senior line holders, would round out next to an Alaska hire date of 2011, which is an FO and is about 100 from upgrade....
#623 at Alaska is a 1/2000 hire date and 1803 at Alaska is 11/16. I thought they were supposed to merge everyone from announcement. From my dumb math, the first 100 guys at Virgin, whom are senior line holders, would round out next to an Alaska hire date of 2011, which is an FO and is about 100 from upgrade....
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