echelon

Sorry, I'm confused. Do these rules apply to Airbus pilots too? I thought we were on PRB instead of Section 25 until JCTE. Please correct me if I'm wrong (and I think I might be WRT deadheading but I can't remember)

ShyGuy

This particular snippet is in the DH section which is in effect.

Peoloto

Wait, you guys have to non Rev/JS if you deviate from a deadhead? Yikes, you need to fix that and get positive space! But at least you have a Seattle base!

AltoCumulus

Yes there was a clarification. I don’t remember if it was the MEC saying the company agreed, or if it was the chief pilot in his e-mail. I’ll try to poke around later.

Actually, there was never any real dispute that I recall with getting released the day before, it clearly says “when in the departure city.” What the dispute was about was if you got to keep the hotel or not. What Schedueling was doing was cancelling guys hotel reservations. So it was clarified that you get released AND you get the hotel. If a schedueler does not release you I would absolutely push it to Wellman if you have to - and if they still balk I would file a grievance.


Like I said earlier, getting released is my default strategy and I have done it numerous times in the last 12 years both on reserve and as a line holder.

ShyGuy

Do you have this clarification? Can you PM me? I have the same situation coming up over the holidays.

All Bizniz

I think the "as if they Deadheaded on the originally scheduled flight." means they'll be credited as such (including rest), even if they go home the same day..

Klsytakesit

Yes, if we deviate we are completely on our own. The last time we actually negotiated a contract(pre-2000) it didnt matter. Flights were never more than 70% full and we always got FC anyway. Our contract is littered with little fragments of this type. So many sections need to be scrubbed and modernized. We do still have mandatory FC DHD over 5 hrs....

All Bizniz

Excellent point...

conquestdz

I have had mixed results using this provision on reserve. In one case when I called for release they tried to tell me it didn't apply to reserves (it does). I ran it up to a supervisor and pled my case. She kept me on hold for a full 15 minutes before coming back with serious attitude, a release, and an early morning assignment the next day....elimimating the benefit of the deadhead drop.
Another time they did release me the night before. When I got home the next day i wasn't supposed to be back on long call until the following morning, but I had several notifications for trips they had put on my line and then replaced during my supposedly non contactable time. I ignored them and the phone call and the trips disappeared later. They were just fishing.
In short, scheduling hates that provision and will use every trick in the book to avoid letting you use it. You had better be ready to quote the cba and hold them accountable. Scheduling absolutely won't do it by the book on their own.

AnchorDown

Its in the scheduling Stan Notes, for keeping the hotel if you want to be realeased from duty, just read it 2 days ago. Hope that helps, sorry so late.