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Old 02-14-2020 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000
Much of this is very much the plan over the next few years. There is also the possibility of a significant increase in flying for us out of PHX... we shall see

We will train as much as the department can handle, it remains to be seen if that will significantly decrease growth. The economy will have the greatest affect on that.
Agreed, but I think any business based on commerce would contract or stay status quo during a downturn. So when you keep mentioning that I think that’s a pretty obvious statement. It would be nice if management thought outside of the cube a bit and had some cash to invest in a downturn (gates, slots, assets etc) foreseeing light at the end of the tunnel a bit.

I don’t foresee Alaska colors EVER hoping from continent to continent it’s just not marketable, so I do think that in the mean time this is a good move for AS pilots to continue to have a large market share of west coast flying. MAX 10’s will be flying between all the major cities with long enough runways feeding both AS and AA connections, and we will continue to fill a niche. I’m one of the few that actually thinks AS is doing an OK job with the product. Is it DAL, nope never will be, but is it competitive on the west coast? I think so. We ALL were hired by a narrow body operator, expecting anything more would be a fool’s errand. Fortunately every airline is hiring right now so if anything it’s a blessing that there are so many opportunities out there for pilots.

I didn’t really think about PHX I think that’s a good opportunity as well. Although I don’t always like what you say, I do appreciate you posting your insight.
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Old 02-14-2020 | 09:53 AM
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What?!?!?!?! Alaska will never be anything but a narrowbody regionally limited operator. There is a zero percent chance Alaska could ever fill a 787 not to mention compete with real airlines on the same routes with a superior product with names that aren’t of a stupid state that no one ever goes to. Wake up
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I think the opposite. I would have put 787 at AS by 2028 at about 20% before this announcement, now I would say it’s a coin flip.
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Old 02-14-2020 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That would be a sweetheart deal... 320 NEO positions (convertible to 321, XL) are gold. Max positions? Just go to the factory and pick out as many as you like.
Or maybe they just swap slots and AS just kicks those A321NEOs down the road further? I dunno just kind of brainstorming I’m just line swine what do I know!
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Old 02-14-2020 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Ala5ka
What?!?!?!?! Alaska will never be anything but a narrowbody regionally limited operator. There is a zero percent chance Alaska could ever fill a 787 not to mention compete with real airlines on the same routes with a superior product with names that aren’t of a stupid state that no one ever goes to. Wake up
You need to let go of your anger. You’ve moved on and are happy now right? Embrace that. Namaste �
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Old 02-14-2020 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Ala5ka
What?!?!?!?! Alaska will never be anything but a narrowbody regionally limited operator. There is a zero percent chance Alaska could ever fill a 787 not to mention compete with real airlines on the same routes with a superior product with names that aren’t of a stupid state that no one ever goes to. Wake up
Right now from where I sit, I see 308 737 at AS by the end of 2025 and 787’s June 2028... 😱this is not a joke. Think about how many times I have been wrong, so laugh, laugh really hard.... Just check back. You ever wonder why NP is here? Just for a 737 order really? I wish I could stay and argue, but I am taking my wife to the Salish for dinner... happy Valentine’s Day my friend!
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Old 02-14-2020 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mea25000
Right now from where I sit, I see 308 737 at AS by the end of 2025 and 787’s June 2028... 😱this is not a joke. Think about how many times I have been wrong, so laugh, laugh really hard.... Just check back. You ever wonder why NP is here? Just for a 737 order really? I wish I could stay and argue, but I am taking my wife to the Salish for dinner... happy Valentine’s Day my friend!
Honestly, all I care about at the moment is making sure we don’t fly American Airlines passengers on 737’s for less than an AA 737 pilot does.
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Old 02-14-2020 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Ala5ka
This is really bad. This basically makes Alaska another regional for American and if I had to guess will likely halt any growth that B and B promised in the smoke and mirrors. likely that MEAs bronze plan just turned into the recycled aluminum plan.
What growth? The 200 airplanes JL just mentioned in his e-mail...100 replacement, 100 growth? Think about it, those 100 airplanes will ONLY generate about 550 CA’s (give or take a few) over 10years!
If you do the math it means that we already hired our most junior CA😉
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Old 02-14-2020 | 03:37 PM
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Yeah, AS will get the 787 (it’s really called the 737 SuperMax) and will put them on daily service from SEA to PDX.
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Old 02-14-2020 | 04:09 PM
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Yeah, AS will get the 787 (it’s really called the 737 SuperMax) and will put them on daily service from SEA to PDX.
Right after they remove it from the ETOPS program.
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Old 02-14-2020 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by randomroute
In a world of massive Airbus NEO orders, the only logical conclusion for AS’ under-utilization is cost.

They cant afford to maintain them. If theres no money to train pilots and certify planes, how tight of a money squeeze does the company have? Further, how badly is the team relying on the MAX solution?

Alaska doesnt need to place an order for RJs, they have plenty of them-the Airbii.
Focus on getting off probation before you start diving into how this place operates.
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