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Old 02-15-2020 | 04:31 AM
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Uh Oh, I really done myself in this time!

Guess I can always go back to playing in the sand if I lose my job for disturbing the fragility Dont worry Im on my way out!
I’ll give you a bit of advice. Close your mouth. You are already being heavily watched, and many know who you are and the history you had with your previous employer. Is this the path you want to go down?
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Old 02-15-2020 | 05:24 AM
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Old 02-15-2020 | 06:59 AM
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We’ve got around 3000 pilots. This news comes out and there’s 56 posts on the issue so far.

AA has what, around 15k pilots? How many posts about it in the AA forum?.... 2

Fleet plan, 787’s, mergers, buyouts... yada, yada, yada....

FOCUS..... Pay, workrules, scope. Now that we’re gonna be feeding AA flights on narrow body aircraft that AA flies, I suggest our negotiating committee’s STARTING point... the absolute MINIMUM be at AA narrow body rates.... not just hourly.... the total package... and go from there. And let management know that if AA inks a deal better than their current one before we get done with ours, that’ll move the goal posts.

And when/if either group pickets, we show strong support for one another. Airline management ain’t the only ones that can form alliances.
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Old 02-15-2020 | 07:42 AM
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He is correct at 550ish. You have to add in retirements.

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
Probably more like 1,200 Captains for 100 aircraft if you include the retirements over the next 10 years but I do understand your angst.
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Old 02-15-2020 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by av8or
We’ve got around 3000 pilots. This news comes out and there’s 56 posts on the issue so far.

AA has what, around 15k pilots? How many posts about it in the AA forum?.... 2

Fleet plan, 787’s, mergers, buyouts... yada, yada, yada....

FOCUS..... Pay, workrules, scope. Now that we’re gonna be feeding AA flights on narrow body aircraft that AA flies, I suggest our negotiating committee’s STARTING point... the absolute MINIMUM be at AA narrow body rates.... not just hourly.... the total package... and go from there. And let management know that if AA inks a deal better than their current one before we get done with ours, that’ll move the goal posts.

And when/if either group pickets, we show strong support for one another. Airline management ain’t the only ones that can form alliances.
Nailed it! I’m not sure how this will effect us but it does give us an extra inch on leverage handle. We need to do as you say and tie ourselves into AA’s gains on their narrow body fleet. Get ourselves a snap up clause like UAL had.
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Old 02-15-2020 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by KnockKnock
Nailed it! I’m not sure how this will effect us but it does give us an extra inch on leverage handle. We need to do as you say and tie ourselves into AA’s gains on their narrow body fleet. Get ourselves a snap up clause like UAL had.
Exactly this.
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Old 02-15-2020 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by av8or
We’ve got around 3000 pilots. This news comes out and there’s 56 posts on the issue so far.



AA has what, around 15k pilots? How many posts about it in the AA forum?.... 2



Fleet plan, 787’s, mergers, buyouts... yada, yada, yada....



FOCUS..... Pay, workrules, scope. Now that we’re gonna be feeding AA flights on narrow body aircraft that AA flies, I suggest our negotiating committee’s STARTING point... the absolute MINIMUM be at AA narrow body rates.... not just hourly.... the total package... and go from there. And let management know that if AA inks a deal better than their current one before we get done with ours, that’ll move the goal posts.



And when/if either group pickets, we show strong support for one another. Airline management ain’t the only ones that can form alliances.


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Old 02-15-2020 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by av8or
We’ve got around 3000 pilots. This news comes out and there’s 56 posts on the issue so far.

AA has what, around 15k pilots? How many posts about it in the AA forum?.... 2

Fleet plan, 787’s, mergers, buyouts... yada, yada, yada....

FOCUS..... Pay, workrules, scope. Now that we’re gonna be feeding AA flights on narrow body aircraft that AA flies, I suggest our negotiating committee’s STARTING point... the absolute MINIMUM be at AA narrow body rates.... not just hourly.... the total package... and go from there. And let management know that if AA inks a deal better than their current one before we get done with ours, that’ll move the goal posts.

And when/if either group pickets, we show strong support for one another. Airline management ain’t the only ones that can form alliances.

AA work rules? No thank you
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Old 02-15-2020 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
AA work rules? No thank you
just to clarify.... I didn’t mean THEIR workrules.... I meant the total $$$ package (they do make considerably more than us per days worked) PLUS proper workrules and scope
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Old 02-15-2020 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by av8or
just to clarify.... I didn’t mean THEIR workrules.... I meant the total $$$ package (they do make considerably more than us per days worked) PLUS proper workrules and scope

uhm I hate to break it to you but AMR is making only $12 more an hour for a 12 year captain, with no profit sharing, more expensive medical, and .5 percent better 401k.... careful what you wish for, I am confident we are already making more.

I think your confused, people want to go to AMR for their W/B, not lackluster N/B rates.

I want AMR’s retirements and widebodies, that’s it. They by far have the worst contract of any of the big 4.

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