😂😂😂 Well said. As someone who’s been there and got the T-shirt

 

Here's what the SWA pilots are doing:

"No-Furlough Friday (#KeepDean): With the current economic situation surrounding the COVID-19, the word “furlough” has been mentioned, not by Southwest Airlines management, but by many SWA Pilots who have seen this before in previous lives. Presently our company and our Pilots are doing what we can to prevent it. That being the case, there were at least three documented times in our history and possibly more when the Pilots of Southwest have stepped up and done the right thing, including pay freezes and cuts, to prevent Pilot furlough.
Dean Jamous (#144397) is the most junior Pilot on the SWA seniority list today. The Save Dean campaign #KeepDean means no one gets furloughed. It is our hope and intent that once again, we, the Pilots of Southwest, will do everything in our power to prevent furlough in the true spirit of our predecessors. That is what it means to be a Southwest Pilot."

And over at the Delta forum:

"Back to furloughs......

Yeah, we are going to furlough. I don't know why we are spinning around trying to figure out what we can do to stop them. Not our call. That's management. Been said here a thousands times before. They'll figure out their required manning and staff the airline accordingly. We are nothing but cost control items. they'll control as they see fit.

It's a fine mental exercise for a forum, but their are people on our seniority list that have never gone through a furlough. Perhaps we should devote more effort passing on lessons learned from previous experience. That might be more helpful for them than trying to buoy their hopes that maybe delta won't furlough. I don't expect the senior bubbas and bubbettes to float us on this with early outs. Not their responsibility. They have their own lives to take of, not ours.

I'll start. Reduce you cash outflow now. Refinance to lower interest rates anywhere you can. Sell off toys and crap you don't need. Take a minor hit if you have to, but shed that burden now. It won't be any easier 6 months from now when the entire economy is in the crapper. Get your family together and discuss how you can save money now. Cull the useless unneeded items in your budget. Hopefully you have a rainy day fund. If not start now. Should accommodate for 6 months minimum of "family operating expenses". As long as you have a job at DAL, you need to maximize your earnings until they show you the door. Again, time to have a chat with the family. Second gig? I don't know. Unless you have a current security clearance or can work your way into a .gov job, the options are not so good. Little late to go to law school.

That's just some junk off the top of my cranium. Lot's of folks on this board who have weathered multiple furloughs. Hope they chime in with their experience.
Two things to add (been through two furloughs/shutdowns); first, if you are at risk of a furlough, take out a HELOC if you can. It can make for a low cost emergency fund. Second, do not ever, EVER draw from your 401k to pay bills. You will never make up the loss. A 401k/retirement plan is protected from creditors.

Be safe.

S"

Over at AS: WHAT IS THIS KINDERGARTEN?! WANT A SAFE SPACE!? I NEED BOAT MONEY!!! THERE'S THE DOOR!!!

Good to know when I vote on your pension...

 

Dude, I don’t need my pension anymore. I was forced to do something with my life and I did. If it’s there when I retire great, if not great. You don’t know a lot about pensions though, if you think a non-participant gets to vote on it 😂

 

Newguy, I guess you are finding out that the company, other pilots, the union, politicians, etc. have their own agendas and that you need to take care of your own house. They are not going to do it for you. The following somewhat cheesy quote comes to mind:

"The world ain’t all sunshine and rainbows. It’s a very mean and nasty place and I don’t care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain’t about how hard ya hit. It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That’s how winning is done!” – Rocky Balboa"

To answer some of your questions.
-Contractual procedures for furlough are in the contract section 23. There isn't a lot of information from the company or union as no furloughs have been announced so what the point of putting a bunch of information out on it now.
-The company notifies by registered mail. There would have to be reduction bid. 30 days notice.
-To insulate from job loss go through your budget and trim everything you can and raise cash, sell stuff and raise cash. If you have a car payment sell it and drive a crappy airport car, etc.
-The main thing the CARES act has done is prevent furloughs until at least the end of Sept. This is a gift of many months to get your house in order. Hopefully a furlough won't happen but sometimes you just have to play defense and be ready. Maybe you have a non flying skill set you can work at for a while or you can work on one.

As far as criticizing your fellow pilots and how they treat junior pilots. This group took a 5% pay cut during the Gulf war to prevent furloughs. During the last round of furloughs they voted themselves an ALPA assessment to pick up the health insurance costs of pilots on furlough. The senior pilots have seen multiple downturns in their career. It will all be fine in the long run as most of them can tell you. Stay healthy and be nice to your wife if you are married. A divorce would be a much bigger financial hit than some time off.

 

SWAPA current social media campaign:

 

Are you waiting for someone to start this for you? If you think this is viable, start the campaign. You can’t be spoon fed everything. Draw something up and pass along some ideas. There are lots of pilots who will get behind a program to help each other out during tough times but you can’t sit on your hands and complain that nothing’s being done and someone else isn’t doing it for you.

 

I know you know this already but, Alaska is not Southwest or Delta. I’ll be furloughed with you in October, It’ll be my fourth so far, all I can say is save as much as you can, try to find a job, not much else can be done. I have no doubt the union will do everything they can, and I also know the company will not do one iota more than contractually required, if that.

 

Im sorry brother.... I’m feelin ya. It does suck. But, #tags and social media campaigns ain’t his job... or mine... or yours. He might have some cool SWA swag to give the recruiter at Amazon when he applies.

 

LUV and DAL will both furlough if something doesn’t change drastically in the next 3 months. No Facebook parade will save anyone

 

he's just mad because he got kicked off of the other site, so he hast to post incessant ignorance here for a week