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docav8tor 12-22-2020 05:14 AM

Alaska Airlines makes big Boeing bet with upsized 737 Max order, first U.S. sale since jets cleared after crashes

Leslie Josephs
https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/imag...04&w=678&h=381Alaska Airlines has agreed to buy nearly two dozen additional Boeing 737 Max planes, the first order from a U.S. carrier since regulators cleared the planes to fly again last month after two deadly crashes.

Alaska said Tuesday it will take delivery of 68 of the 737 Max 9 planes, up from the 32 it had previously ordered. Twenty three of them will be bought from Boeing and 13 others leased from Air Lease.

The Federal Aviation Administration last month lifted a grounding order on the planes that was put in place after two nearly new Max jetliners crashed in 2018 and 2019, killing all 346 people aboard the two flights.

Boeing has been struggling from the almost two-year grounding that was met with the coronavirus crisis, driving down demand — and prices — for its planes.

CEO Brad Tilden declined to disclose the price of the planes but told CNBC that nine of the Max jetliners it’s buying are so-called white tails, planes that have been built but don’t have an owner.

Alaska, which is based in Seattle, near Boeing’s Max production plant, has options to buy another 52 planes as it transitions to a nearly all-Boeing fleet in the coming years. The airline has had a fleet of a mix of Boeing and Airbus jets thanks to its 2016 merger with Virgin America.

The carrier is now starting to train its pilots, including Airbus aviators, on the Max. Tilden said the company has 830 of about 3,000 pilots trained on the airbus, a number that will decline to about 145 by the end of summer 2023.

European budget airline Ryanair earlier this month announced an order for 75 Max jets to its 135-plane order, the largest order in two years.

Alaska plans to start flying the Max in the first quarter and receive its first Max jet in January. It hadn’t received any of the planes at the time of the March 2019 grounding.

rickair7777 12-22-2020 06:14 AM

I'm shocked, shocked I say!

Accounting for bus retirements, about a net wash on mainline fleet size?

Cruz5350 12-22-2020 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3173703)
I'm shocked, shocked I say!

Accounting for bus retirements, about a net wash on mainline fleet size?

I believe that’s correct if you’re just looking at the order w/o options. I think pre pandemic we were at 235 mainline jets maybe somebody else can chime in.

TransWorld 12-22-2020 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 3173739)
I believe that’s correct if you’re just looking at the order w/o options. I think pre pandemic we were at 235 mainline jets maybe somebody else can chime in.

APC shows 71 Airbus. Max orders of 68, so indeed, about a wash.

OTZeagle1 12-22-2020 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3142412)
Last numbers I have seen:
Summer 2025
156 NG
109 MAX
0 Airbus
(55 MAX FLEX) 2023-2028
Right now Boeing is trying to sell AS on MAX8’s, we prefer MAX9’s and MAX10’s...

To all the bitter cupcakes out there.... I know nothing!

Surfin67 12-22-2020 09:15 AM

OH BOY! A shiny new turd 💩

ExperimentalAB 12-22-2020 10:34 AM

If we plan on being up a handful of airframes for summer of '22, I imagine we'll need to hire given the early-outs and attrition between then and now? Seems too optimistic to be true.

ELAC321 12-22-2020 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3173774)
To all the bitter cupcakes out there.... I know nothing!

Aparently since your predictions don't match the 2025 plan. Why are you reposting this?

2025 shows 10 321s and 261 737s.
You said 0 Airbus... Wrong
You said 265 737... Wrong

NewGuy01 12-22-2020 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by ELAC321 (Post 3173806)
Aparently since your predictions don't match the 2025 plan. Why are you reposting this?

2025 shows 10 321s and 261 737s.
You said 0 Airbus... Wrong
You said 265 737... Wrong


Please don’t feed the troll. Sincere thank you.


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OTZeagle1 12-22-2020 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 3173800)
If we plan on being up a handful of airframes for summer of '22, I imagine we'll need to hire given the early-outs and attrition between then and now? Seems too optimistic to be true.

I believe the plan is to be at the 2019 airframe total by 2023. We will be at the same capacity by 2022, but that is because we are trading A320 for MAX 9. That is not real growth in the number of pilots, just growth in seats. Company will gain significant synergies in the pilot ranks with single fleet and PBS... maybe hiring in 2023 maybe not tell 2024. It all depends on the recovery.


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