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Max Thrust 03-25-2022 05:36 PM

Stop feeding the troll

rmcbear08 03-25-2022 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by clearandcold (Post 3394783)
Why do they hate the SFO base?

Because it’s not SEA

OTZeagle1 03-25-2022 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by ExFokkerFlyer (Post 3394784)
Hey moron. Where did I say it WASNT going to happen? They have done this time and time again.. no Qs. Wait, Qs again. Busses are gone... wait, bring them back.

Yes Mr All-Knowing, All Wise...Leader of the Eskimo Faithful. The Airbus will go away. I said that. I know that. We all know that. But I believe their timeline like I believe Epstein hung himself.

It may very well happen the way they and you, all knowing merciful one say, but I'm not going to worry about it, think about it, or concern myself with it until I'm in class. They change their mind so much it's embarrassing.

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I wouldn’t worry, I would plan though. I think we started with 74 buses, how many do we have now? I do think the training footprint is rather ambitious, but they feel this is doable. Time will tell.

Ala5ka 03-25-2022 07:38 PM

I think this is probably the best case scenario at this point..

i foresee it going differently. Hiring will stop, most junior are displaced back into the right seat… agree that we will for once be adequately staffed but the company will see that as excess meat on the bones… hiring will not resume for a long time. this will be used as contract negotiations continue. Company will say it’s fat on pilots and either accept a weak ta or prepare to furlough down to size. They’ll get their 51%. Sfo is closed. Bus is gone according to new schedule.

Qx is slowly dwindled down to nothing. Eventually those pilots will be slowly be given class dates at Alaska.. Alaska will use that as contract stall fodder for further negotiation cycles. They’ll argue as deserves less because it took less to get here blah blah blah.

sad but I believe it’s close to reality


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3394776)
You can’t fix stupid. Q’s are gone, Buses are gone. Just pretend this is all not going to happen, yup that is a brilliant idea. The bid should soon enlighten most, the deplorable’s will suggest it will just be canceled. Top end single fleet could be worth 90 million a year. Single fleet along with PBS will create about 13% synergies among the pilot group, that’s approximately a 400 pilot surplus. Luckily for us that will just probably bring staffing up to a appropriate level 😂. It’s a huge windfall for our bottom line, hopefully affording us the contract we deserve. Hiring will not stop, it will slow. I don’t think anyone is going to be displaced out of there CA seat. Last thing I saw showed 140 Airbus CA’s and 130 FO’s by JAN 1 2023😱.
There is no merger, this thing is done and Ben wants it executed as fast as possible.
FYI- they hate the SFO base… I put it at 1-3 odds again that they close it.


Rangerover 03-25-2022 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by Ala5ka (Post 3394846)
I think this is probably the best case scenario at this point..

i foresee it going differently. Hiring will stop, most junior are displaced back into the right seat… agree that we will for once be adequately staffed but the company will see that as excess meat on the bones… hiring will not resume for a long time. this will be used as contract negotiations continue. Company will say it’s fat on pilots and either accept a weak ta or prepare to furlough down to size. They’ll get their 51%. Sfo is closed. Bus is gone according to new schedule.

Qx is slowly dwindled down to nothing. Eventually those pilots will be slowly be given class dates at Alaska.. Alaska will use that as contract stall fodder for further negotiation cycles. They’ll argue as deserves less because it took less to get here blah blah blah.

sad but I believe it’s close to reality

There aren’t that many qualified pilots to go around. Your doomsday scenario would only exacerbate the problems this management team has created. People will leave and pilots seeking employment will look at places with better contracts, domiciles and growth opportunities. Other airlines can see past the short term oil spike.

airb320 03-25-2022 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3394776)
You can’t fix stupid. Q’s are gone, Buses are gone. Just pretend this is all not going to happen, yup that is a brilliant idea. The bid should soon enlighten most, the deplorable’s will suggest it will just be canceled. Top end single fleet could be worth 90 million a year. Single fleet along with PBS will create about 13% synergies among the pilot group, that’s approximately a 400 pilot surplus. Luckily for us that will just probably bring staffing up to a appropriate level 😂. It’s a huge windfall for our bottom line, hopefully affording us the contract we deserve. Hiring will not stop, it will slow. I don’t think anyone is going to be displaced out of there CA seat. Last thing I saw showed 140 Airbus CA’s and 130 FO’s by JAN 1 2023😱.
There is no merger, this thing is done and Ben wants it executed as fast as possible.
FYI- they hate the SFO base… I put it at 1-3 odds again that they close it.

Hahahaha… “13% Synergies”… with the way you ‘legacy’ guys screwed up the contract, the one nobody ever voted yes on🤦‍♀️🤣, in Managements favor, the benefit will be 4-6% at best… just correcting your “brilliant” forecasting skills🤯

ExperimentalAB 03-25-2022 08:32 PM

Ala5ka, this will prove to be a speed bump but not another lost decade for this pilot group by a long shot. Even a likely recession next year will only result, I’d bet, in more mild “growth.”

BM wants growth to feed his ego - he is not quite the slow and steady Boy Scout type that BT was. Now will he be able to swallow the pilot contract pill that will allow his dreams of grandeur is something else entirely.

9mikemike 03-25-2022 10:39 PM

Doubt that Benito will even work for Alaska in a year.

ShyGuy 03-25-2022 10:43 PM

I think I agree with OTZ. Whatever plans they had for a Fall bid and a 31JAN bid have been shelved, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Delta style MOAB with Airbus displacements.

All Bizniz 03-26-2022 01:45 AM


Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB (Post 3394870)
Ala5ka, this will prove to be a speed bump but not another lost decade for this pilot group by a long shot. Even a likely recession next year will only result, I’d bet, in more mild “growth.”

BM wants growth to feed his ego - he is not quite the slow and steady Boy Scout type that BT was. Now will he be able to swallow the pilot contract pill that will allow his dreams of grandeur is something else entirely.

Great points. We mustn't forget that at the end of the day, this is a public company that is still beholden to its shareholders and institutional investors. They want to see consistent growth in profits and all the other commonly tracked metrics that can make you either the darling, or the pariah of Wall Street.

Shrinking just to get one over on the pilots in contract negotiations might not be seen as the smartest thing to do, especially when the alternative would be to agree to a decent contract, which could in turn support a more ambitious growth plan, and hence profitability.

My $0.02.


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