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Old 02-04-2021, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 9mikemike View Post
There is no interest on the part of Alaska pilots to do what Jetblue did with the 190/220 and pay scales. We have one rate for 90 seats to 200 seats and the only rate adjust would be up for a larger more capable airplane.
Speak for yourself. Maybe I’m just crazy but I’d gladly emulate Delta or JetBlue and add another fleet that would capture more flying for Alaska pilots.
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Old 02-05-2021, 01:16 AM
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Speak for yourself. Maybe I’m just crazy but I’d gladly emulate Delta or JetBlue and add another fleet that would capture more flying for Alaska pilots.
I second that wholeheartedly. One list, no regional whipsaw.
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Old 02-05-2021, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 9mikemike View Post
There is no interest on anyones part...Have to formally acquire them just to trigger the ball in motion. There is no interest on the part of Alaska pilots to do what Jetblue did with the 190/220 and pay scales. We have one rate for 90 seats to 200 seats and the only rate adjust would be up for a larger more capable airplane. There is just no way to merge equitably
And how is that working out?
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Old 02-05-2021, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Back2future View Post
Speak for yourself. Maybe I’m just crazy but I’d gladly emulate Delta or JetBlue and add another fleet that would capture more flying for Alaska pilots.
190's? Sure, they belong at mainline.

But the problem is if you merge existing RJ flying, the RJ pilots will want a longevity-based SLI. You cannot legally staple them unless they volunteer to be stapled.

OO you can get rid of by letting the contracts run out.

But you'd probably have to threaten to shutdown QX and transfer the assets (ala Tranny)... how's that staple sound now?
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Old 02-05-2021, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB View Post
I second that wholeheartedly. One list, no regional whipsaw.
Serious question: how do you get from here to there?
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Old 02-05-2021, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Serious question: how do you get from here to there?

There are plenty of airlines out there without regional feeds, some of them are even hiring right now. The problem for many people comes when they are faced with the decision to actually do something vs. just continuing to talk.
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Old 02-05-2021, 07:19 AM
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There are plenty of airlines out there without regional feeds, some of them are even hiring right now. The problem for many people comes when they are faced with the decision to actually do something vs. just continuing to talk.
Unless my recall of history is failing, 100% of those airlines are relatively recent (compared to the legacies) startups which never had regional feed to begin with. Their pilots locked that in with scope, and their managers went along because their business models were not very conducive to hub-n-spoke anyway.

What we're talking about here is how do you, as a pilot group, actually put the FFD toothpaste back in the tube.

Still waiting for an answer. Maybe the best you can manage is to put the cap on the tube before any more toothpaste gets out.

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Old 02-05-2021, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Unless my recall of history is failing, 100% of those airlines are relatively recent (compared to the legacies) startups which never had regional feed to begin with. Their pilots locked that in with scope, and their managers went along because their business models were not very conducive to hub-n-spoke anyway.

What we're talking about here is how do you, as a pilot group, actually put the FFD toothpaste back in the tube.

Still waiting for an answer. Maybe the best you can manage is to put the cap on the tube before any more toothpaste gets out.

The reason for my statement is that if an Alaska pilot is truly serious about working at an airline without regional feed. If that is really the hill they want to defend. The jobs exist. Otherwise it is just talk. Saying: I don't want to leave because (base, don't want to move, seniority, AC type, kids changing schools, wife job, commute choices, etc.) is basically saying I am ok with being at an airline with a regional feed.
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Old 02-05-2021, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Serious question: how do you get from here to there?

Easy, integration based on Alpa years of service. 170/190 pay 4th year AS FO rates starting and up, 170/190 FO rates 65% of AS FO rates, top at year 5. It's not going to happen though, check back in 5 years this will all be silly bickering.

In the worst year in aviation history my CA friends got 18-22K bonus, most FO friends 8-9K. This is embarrassing everyone. We work for a good company, show up do a good job and enjoy. Trust your union to fix what needs fixing.

We are about on target, let’s see what the summer brings. Relax, enjoy, and let yourself arrive!
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Old 02-05-2021, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 View Post
Easy, integration based on Alpa years of service. 170/190 pay 4th year AS FO rates starting and up, 170/190 FO rates 65% of AS FO rates, top at year 5. It's not going to happen though, check back in 5 years this will all be silly bickering.
Yes, I know it's not happening just curious as to the thought process of those who think it's worth discussing.
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