737 Rate Proposal
737 Rate Proposal
03-12-2022, 07:20 AM
#2
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 647
Why do people seem to think the proposed rates are so radical? Everyone else is negotiating too, I guarantee once DAL's and UAL's rate proposals are made public ours will look pretty similar.
And for the love of god, for ONCE in airline contract history can we PLEASE PLEASE not get tunnel vision toward base pay rates or get blinded by dollar signs? They don't mean isht if the work rules aren't there to back them up and THAT'S where our focus should be after seeing that term sheet.
And for the love of god, for ONCE in airline contract history can we PLEASE PLEASE not get tunnel vision toward base pay rates or get blinded by dollar signs? They don't mean isht if the work rules aren't there to back them up and THAT'S where our focus should be after seeing that term sheet.
03-12-2022, 07:26 AM
#3
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Joined APC: Jan 2010
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 228
The rates are perfectly in line with what other carriers are proposing, again, why are Pilots fighting this? Some here have this weird “i want to get paid less because I work for this great company based in the PNW”… are you listening to yourself? You start higher and negotiate.
03-12-2022, 08:07 AM
#5
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Take the old rates of all the majors whose contracts ended in 2019, add 3-4% per year, maybe 6-9% for 2022, and see what you come up with. It’s roughly the Alaska proposal. Also, look at sun country. They are a small airline generally far behind everyone else in contracts. They just got $294 as their max rate. Thinking that 310/320/330 an hour is outlandish is not the way to be thinking about things.
delta/United are 283-285 an hour for 739/321. Here’s some math using 3% for annual raises and also using 4%. Also threw in some for 6 and 8% inflation for 2022, which is a bit more accurate.
2020 rates with standard increases:
3% is around $293
4% is around $295
2021 rates with standard increases:
3% is around $302
4% is around $307
2022 rates with standard increases:
3% is around $311
4% is around $320
6% is around $325
8% is around $330
delta/United are 283-285 an hour for 739/321. Here’s some math using 3% for annual raises and also using 4%. Also threw in some for 6 and 8% inflation for 2022, which is a bit more accurate.
2020 rates with standard increases:
3% is around $293
4% is around $295
2021 rates with standard increases:
3% is around $302
4% is around $307
2022 rates with standard increases:
3% is around $311
4% is around $320
6% is around $325
8% is around $330
03-12-2022, 04:24 PM
#10
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Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 302
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
What does the proposal look like? For outsiders.
Yearly increase is the higher of:
5%/year COL increase *or* 102% the average highest narrow body rate between DAL, UAL, AAL, and WN.
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