Good luck, everyone.

 

Why do people seem to think the proposed rates are so radical? Everyone else is negotiating too, I guarantee once DAL's and UAL's rate proposals are made public ours will look pretty similar.

And for the love of god, for ONCE in airline contract history can we PLEASE PLEASE not get tunnel vision toward base pay rates or get blinded by dollar signs? They don't mean isht if the work rules aren't there to back them up and THAT'S where our focus should be after seeing that term sheet.

 

The rates are perfectly in line with what other carriers are proposing, again, why are Pilots fighting this? Some here have this weird “i want to get paid less because I work for this great company based in the PNW”… are you listening to yourself? You start higher and negotiate.

 

The pay rates the union proposed will be on par with delta once they get a new rates. The company doesn’t want to pay us, classic

 

Take the old rates of all the majors whose contracts ended in 2019, add 3-4% per year, maybe 6-9% for 2022, and see what you come up with. It’s roughly the Alaska proposal. Also, look at sun country. They are a small airline generally far behind everyone else in contracts. They just got $294 as their max rate. Thinking that 310/320/330 an hour is outlandish is not the way to be thinking about things.

delta/United are 283-285 an hour for 739/321. Here’s some math using 3% for annual raises and also using 4%. Also threw in some for 6 and 8% inflation for 2022, which is a bit more accurate.

2020 rates with standard increases:
3% is around $293
4% is around $295

2021 rates with standard increases:
3% is around $302
4% is around $307

2022 rates with standard increases:
3% is around $311
4% is around $320
6% is around $325
8% is around $330

 

Hey, if we shoot for Mars we just might hit the moon.

 

Are you guys kidding me, these rates are just $266 corrected for inflation. This is not shooting for the moon. We are just shooting for the middle of the road.

 

SWA 12-year captain rates from 2000, adjusted for inflation today, are just over $410/hr today.

 

What does the proposal look like? For outsiders.

 

12 year CA pay: $320. FO: $219

Yearly increase is the higher of:

5%/year COL increase *or* 102% the average highest narrow body rate between DAL, UAL, AAL, and WN.