Originally Posted by biigD

Yep, 5:15 per calendar day. I normally don't fly redeyes, but I traded into a trip with a trailing redeye last month. I still b**ched about the redeye (reminding me why I don't fly them), but it was nice to roll into work on Thursday at 7pm and be landing back home on Saturday at 6am for 15:45. I understand why folks (especially commuters) love these trips, and it has the added advantage of making the redeye flying a little less junior, which helps guys like me to avoid redeye flying if it's not your cup of tea.

Originally Posted by tailendcharlie

My numbers may be a little off but when we agreed to a 5-hour ADG at USAir in the late 90’s, our min. credit per day was, I think, only 2? Point being the company immediately, and predictably, exploited it - 4-day trip, work hard the first 3 then one short leg home the last day you got hosed. All the 4-days started paying right around 20 hours; you need a high min. day to go along with ADG.

Originally Posted by Cruz5350

There is no benefit of ADG over Min day I’ve been trying to tell everyone I know. There’s also risks that it will cost you money and you’ll be working for free on some days kinda like what just happened to me on my last trip. Average means exactly that the company will just average out the days and not look at the block. If anyone doesn’t think that they will pull shenanigans like this than I don’t know what to say. Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe AA has Min calendar pay as well.

Originally Posted by BeatNavy

Correct. But I don’t think there are any majors with a MCD rig fwiw. JetBlue used to only have a duty period average guarantee. So, take off in the evening from JFK. Land in ABQ. Off for 24 hours,. Fly the redeye back. Get in at 7am and be done. Covers 3 calendar days, but only 2 duty periods. Pays 11 hours. When jetblue got their ADG (avg daily guarantee) in the last CBA, they kept the duty period guarantee as well, I believe to protect against having 2 duty periods in a day to pay each as a full day’s work (say a 0001 show and a flight ending at 0300, rest, then a short evening flight…that would have to pay 2 duty periods even tho it’s on the same calendar day). As there are no other majors who have a MCD, the jetblue negotiators said it wasn’t achievable for the last CBA negotiations.

My opinion (not an AS guy) is that all 3 have their place (as do trip and duty rigs). I believe a 6 hour ADG and DPA, plus a 4-5 hour min calendar day, should be standard. Hopefully you all (and the rest of us) make progress on that front.

Originally Posted by BeatNavy

He’s talking about a min day guarantee, not an average daily guarantee. Where in AA’s contract is there a min day guarantee? I can’t find it, but I might be missing something.

Originally Posted by Cruz5350

Everyone should have the following. Minimum calendar day of 6 with a clause that says block or better that looks at the pairing on a daily basis so that you get the higher of the two. That way if you block more than 6 you get that for that day and say less than 6 on another day that you’re still protected with a min pay of 6 hours for that daily credit

Originally Posted by flyprdu

Everyone is trying to argue ADG vs MDG, and I say why not both?

Having a more rigs is better overall, and allows some flexibility in trip construction. Having a MDG around 3-4, which leaves the possibility open for some long, tourist overnights. And a 5:15 ADG that keeps the trip credit high.