I've just had my fill of slam clickers and PB&J sandwich packers at the regionals. The fact that I've been conscripted back into that kind of culture again is something that I'll never get used to.

 

How lonely to spend half of your life on the road, and not give a sh*t about anyone.

 

You must not have family. I'm good for one night out on a four-day, other then that I'm resting or doing family admin so I have the time and energy to be present when I'm home.

 

Plenty of pilots with families also make the time to be present with the crew on the road. Especially in a "destination" layover. Sometimes it feels like an obligation, but I've never regretted it.

 

“Conscripted”??? Victim much?

the fact that you care about what someone else packs to eat on the road, or chooses to not be your “layover entertainment buddy” is breathtakingly unprofessional. A bunch of us have a life and priorities outside our job at at Alaska (families, other businesses we run etc). That doesn’t come to a screeching halt just to make sure you or Jenny/Jim in the back enjoy your 45 hr Newark layover are more enjoyable. And, also, even if you are an amazingly enjoyable conversationalist during the 6 hr ETOPS, they just wanna turn on “1883”, drink a beer and relax. Either way, the fact that you somehow feel entitled to THEIR time not flying, and if they don’t give it to you they’re not being “present with their crew” is unbelievable. We’re supposed to be adult professionals here.

I genuinely love 99.999% of the crews I fly with here. I think we have awesome people truly. Sometimes it works out to go hang. Sometimes it doesn’t. Sorry brother, It’s not 1965, you aren’t Di Caprio, and layovers aren’t a scene from Catch Me if You Can.

 

AA used to have it, they changed to ADG a few years back. A relative of mine at AA was telling me about it the other day. Screwed over their narrow body guys cause the company started building trips to take advantage of it.

Day 1: 8 hours
Day 2: 2 hours

 

Unfortunately, this is a very typical SEA trip at AS: 8 hours the first day (SEA-ANC or something-SEA-SMF), 24hr overnight, then 1 hour the second day (SMF-SEA). Complete waste of time that reports early, finishes late, completely wrecks you on day one, and still only pays 10 hours. Our proposed ADG would bring that garbage trip all the way up to.... 11 hours! Call your reps guys

 

Like I said, one night.

 

You have to consider what they *could* do with any new rules. People tend to look at how new rules would affect their current trips, but the company can and will adapt pairing construction to changes in rules.

One place I worked started really loading up the last day after 117 went into effect, on the premise that you'd be less likely to call fatigue, and more likely to take an extension on go-home day. They also made sure you didn't turn through base either.

 

We had a brief stint of ADTG at my previous employer. There were ways to get lots of soft time with it. If a trip had a victory lap at the beginning or end like a GEG or PDX turn or similar you could usually get someone to pick it up because it would pay a min day for 2 hours of flying and you didn't mind dropping it because if your other leg to or from the overnight was something short you were usually not loosing much by giving it up. On the flip side, there were certain pairings where the company could win too.