737 Rate Proposal
#81
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almost three years into negotiations, almost two years past the current CBA's amendable date, and ~3 months into mediation with the NMB. This is the first proposal with any specifics in it that has been shared with the rank and file, and frankly, they've still got an awful lot of work to do. It kind of seems like they went with the approach of making modest improvements to existing scheduling practices when what we really need is a complete, ground-up, rewrite.
#82
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almost three years into negotiations, almost two years past the current CBA's amendable date, and ~3 months into mediation with the NMB. This is the first proposal with any specifics in it that has been shared with the rank and file, and frankly, they've still got an awful lot of work to do. It kind of seems like they went with the approach of making modest improvements to existing scheduling practices when what we really need is a complete, ground-up, rewrite.
#83
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almost three years into negotiations, almost two years past the current CBA's amendable date, and ~3 months into mediation with the NMB. This is the first proposal with any specifics in it that has been shared with the rank and file, and frankly, they've still got an awful lot of work to do. It kind of seems like they went with the approach of making modest improvements to existing scheduling practices when what we really need is a complete, ground-up, rewrite.
#84
almost three years into negotiations, almost two years past the current CBA's amendable date, and ~3 months into mediation with the NMB. This is the first proposal with any specifics in it that has been shared with the rank and file, and frankly, they've still got an awful lot of work to do. It kind of seems like they went with the approach of making modest improvements to existing scheduling practices when what we really need is a complete, ground-up, rewrite.
#85
In this particular environment I don’t think a patch job is going to work. Management is going to have to do some souk-searching and come up with a package that is competitive for QOL as well as $$$. Even if they get enough votes from people with too much seniority to pass, it won’t work if they can’t get quality new hires. And you aren’t going to even get newbies to come to the PNW unless it’s a competitive package.
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#86
If it happens it will snowball as soon as not-so-junior people start moving backwards... in this climate, that will get even the lazy ones updating airlineapps.
#87
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Management definitely needs to wake up, but so do we. The most they will ever give us will be what we ask for, and right now we're not asking for much at all. I 100% trust that the MEC/NC are following the direction they've been given from polling/reps, which means pilots are not asking for enough from them.
This contract needs to be absolutely transformative. It needs to cost a lot. It needs to shift the paradigm into an entirely new plane of existence. Scope and pay are critical, but so is scheduling, and as of right now this proposal is a hard no because of scheduling. We can, and must, ask for better.
#88
If management wakes up tomorrow and agrees to ALPA's proposal, then we get a pay raise and scope but continue to have unproductive lines, lineholders still being treated like reserves FOR FREE, and garbage reserve rules that have been only slightly shined up from where they are now. We will still be the "duty period" airline, reserve will still feel like a punishment instead of a potential way to roll the dice and maybe beat the house by hoping to not get used on reserve days and flying on days off above guarantee, and for the next however many years or months before PBS (assuming it comes at all) we'll all still be step trading out of our own illegalities and conflict drops. But hooray, we get a third step!
Management definitely needs to wake up, but so do we. The most they will ever give us will be what we ask for, and right now we're not asking for much at all. I 100% trust that the MEC/NC are following the direction they've been given from polling/reps, which means pilots are not asking for enough from them.
This contract needs to be absolutely transformative. It needs to cost a lot. It needs to shift the paradigm into an entirely new plane of existence. Scope and pay are critical, but so is scheduling, and as of right now this proposal is a hard no because of scheduling. We can, and must, ask for better.
Management definitely needs to wake up, but so do we. The most they will ever give us will be what we ask for, and right now we're not asking for much at all. I 100% trust that the MEC/NC are following the direction they've been given from polling/reps, which means pilots are not asking for enough from them.
This contract needs to be absolutely transformative. It needs to cost a lot. It needs to shift the paradigm into an entirely new plane of existence. Scope and pay are critical, but so is scheduling, and as of right now this proposal is a hard no because of scheduling. We can, and must, ask for better.
#89
I wouldn’t consider myself lazy but I haphazardly threw my apps out and got offers from 2 majors in less than a month. It’s crazy.
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