Assuming 5 hours/day for both MCD and ADG...

MCD:
Day 1: Block 2, credit 5
Day 2: Block 7, credit 7
Day 3: Block 8, credit 8
Day 4: Block 3, credit 5
Trip Total Block = 20, Trip Total credit = 25

ADG
Day 1: Block 2
Day 2: Block 7
Day 3: Block 8
Day 4: Block 3
Trip Total Block = 20, daily average = 20/4 = 5. So the same trip meets the 5 hour ADG daily average as is, with no soft pay.

So ADG pays 5 hours less in this perfectly realistic (and likley commutable) example.

 

Unless I’m missing something, it seems like as far as a pilot is concerned, Minimum Calendar Day would be more advantageous than an Average Daily Credit. What are the reasons the Union proposes ADG?

 

Good question.

 

Correct. But I don’t think there are any majors with a MCD rig fwiw. JetBlue used to only have a duty period average guarantee. So, take off in the evening from JFK. Land in ABQ. Off for 24 hours,. Fly the redeye back. Get in at 7am and be done. Covers 3 calendar days, but only 2 duty periods. Pays 11 hours. When jetblue got their ADG (avg daily guarantee) in the last CBA, they kept the duty period guarantee as well, I believe to protect against having 2 duty periods in a day to pay each as a full day’s work (say a 0001 show and a flight ending at 0300, rest, then a short evening flight…that would have to pay 2 duty periods even tho it’s on the same calendar day). As there are no other majors who have a MCD, the jetblue negotiators said it wasn’t achievable for the last CBA negotiations.

My opinion (not an AS guy) is that all 3 have their place (as do trip and duty rigs). I believe a 6 hour ADG and DPA, plus a 4-5 hour min calendar day, should be standard. Hopefully you all (and the rest of us) make progress on that front.

 

I hope so too, but the current proposal is 5:30 ADG and NO min day.

If anyone is reading this and agrees that Section 25 (and Section 4 for ADG vs min day) of that term sheet need serious work, please don't just whine about it on the internet, take the 5min to text it or email it to your rep.

My biggest fear at this point is that too many people take their complaints only to the forums for too long and then a TA comes out that's majorly disappointing but still passes by a narrow margin. And then we're hosed for another 3 years at least.

 

There is no benefit of ADG over Min day I’ve been trying to tell everyone I know. There’s also risks that it will cost you money and you’ll be working for free on some days kinda like what just happened to me on my last trip. Average means exactly that the company will just average out the days and not look at the block. If anyone doesn’t think that they will pull shenanigans like this than I don’t know what to say. Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe AA has Min calendar pay as well.

 

If you want to know why negotiations take years and why pilots have to go years with an expired contract, look no further than this union proposal.

And not just the rates. The 102% snap up…🤦‍♂️

 

AA has 2 per duty period. Don’t think they have min day.



courtesy of DALs latest contract comparison guide.

 

Yep, 5:15 per calendar day. I normally don't fly redeyes, but I traded into a trip with a trailing redeye last month. I still b**ched about the redeye (reminding me why I don't fly them), but it was nice to roll into work on Thursday at 7pm and be landing back home on Saturday at 6am for 15:45. I understand why folks (especially commuters) love these trips, and it has the added advantage of making the redeye flying a little less junior, which helps guys like me to avoid redeye flying if it's not your cup of tea.

 

This is from AA’s contract comparison guide. I don’t see a min per calendar day on there anywhere, but maybe I’m missing something.