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Old 06-01-2022 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
On that same token, the same with OTZ’s point above about Delta and Southwest pilot comparisons when they double dip with green slips and we cherish their 450k salary.
Those poor, persecuted open time hustlers. There, there. You'll be okay.

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Old 06-01-2022 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
On that same token, the same with OTZ’s point above about Delta and Southwest pilot comparisons when they double dip with green slips and we cherish their 450k salary.
Your analogy only works if one assumes that Alaska pilots are on the same playing field as those at SWA and DAL. We aren't.

With all due respect to the efforts at those properties for better treatment, I, as an Alaska pilot, would LOVE to have their problems.
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Old 06-02-2022 | 03:58 AM
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I’m browsing Delta and Southwest forum sections here. They sound p***ed. Delta schedules (narrowbody) have apparently gone down the drain, guys getting fatigued left and right, and now Delta is cancelling flights for July and August.

The contract problem will be solved relatively shortly here. Then what?
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Old 06-02-2022 | 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by echelon
Your analogy only works if one assumes that Alaska pilots are on the same playing field as those at SWA and DAL. We aren't.

With all due respect to the efforts at those properties for better treatment, I, as an Alaska pilot, would LOVE to have their problems.
Oh yes, the “Well it is fine for them to do it, because their contract is far better argument and they are not in section 6.” 🤔 We can’t because our contract sucks and doing so prevents us from ever getting a good contract 🤔. I thought, I just attended a rally with some of them in SEA. It must have just been a celebration of their current awesome contract🙄.
Now this “playing field” you speak of, I am curious, what exactly is it, and do they even want to play on it?🤔
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Old 06-02-2022 | 05:17 AM
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As someone who has worked under SWA and Alaska contracts, it’s not even a question…the sheer earning potential alone….and SWA has plenty of work to do in upcoming negotiations.

I did find it pretty funny that SWA is talked about constantly at AK. Want to know how often AK is mentioned at SW? Essentially never.

I hope Alaska gets what they deserve but it’s going to be a battle, a battle that rates alone will not solve. Great people who deserve more.
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Old 06-02-2022 | 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
I’m browsing Delta and Southwest forum sections here. They sound p***ed. Delta schedules (narrowbody) have apparently gone down the drain, guys getting fatigued left and right, and now Delta is cancelling flights for July and August.

The contract problem will be solved relatively shortly here. Then what?
No matter how great a contract is, there'll always be loop holes to be exploited - on both sides. It seems like right now Delta is doing that to extract efficiencies, so if the GREAT schedules DL pilots have been used to, is now only SO-SO to GOOD, then of course they're gonna be p*s*ed about their deteriorating schedules.

Meanwhile, here at AS our schedules have gone from BAD to down right shiddy, so you're really making an apples to oranges comparison. The bottom line is that our contract is an embarrassment compared to Delta's.

To answer your question, I believe we are so far behind that the contract we settle on will be a good one, but will still have room for improvements. Therefore after the signing, the work continues.
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Old 06-02-2022 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by AJ311
As someone who has worked under SWA and Alaska contracts, it’s not even a question…the sheer earning potential alone….and SWA has plenty of work to do in upcoming negotiations.

I did find it pretty funny that SWA is talked about constantly at AK. Want to know how often AK is mentioned at SW? Essentially never.

I hope Alaska gets what they deserve but it’s going to be a battle, a battle that rates alone will not solve. Great people who deserve more.
Exactly. Literally no one uses Alaska as a benchmark in negotiations. Except other management teams. Everyone ranting how it isn't that bad here either have no friends anywhere else or they are just plain lying to themselves.
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Old 06-02-2022 | 09:03 AM
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Do you guys know each other? Wow this escalated quickly....
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Old 06-02-2022 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
I’m browsing Delta and Southwest forum sections here. They sound p***ed. Delta schedules (narrowbody) have apparently gone down the drain, guys getting fatigued left and right, and now Delta is cancelling flights for July and August.

The contract problem will be solved relatively shortly here. Then what?
I talk to two of my best friends every day who are FOs at daddy D on 737/320 fleets. Their schedules are straight trash compared to mine.
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Old 06-02-2022 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by All Bizniz
…Therefore after the signing, the work continues.
What a bunch of Baloney, didn’t the Arbitrator after our last disastrous contract “dictate” that we work on stuff like Scope etc.? What happened? NOTHING, so stop saying “the work continues”, it may do so in your head but there won’t be any progress… we ALL know it…
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