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09-06-2022 | 05:00 PM
#21
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As an aside, everyone who is putting faith in a me too clause to save us is setting us up for disappointment.
We work for a company that has a history of exploiting loopholes and contract violations.
Everyone is taking a huge gamble that the snap up won't be covered in secret sauce.
We work for a company that has a history of exploiting loopholes and contract violations.
Everyone is taking a huge gamble that the snap up won't be covered in secret sauce.
09-06-2022 | 06:00 PM
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As an aside, everyone who is putting faith in a me too clause to save us is setting us up for disappointment.
We work for a company that has a history of exploiting loopholes and contract violations.
Everyone is taking a huge gamble that the snap up won't be covered in secret sauce.
We work for a company that has a history of exploiting loopholes and contract violations.
Everyone is taking a huge gamble that the snap up won't be covered in secret sauce.
Things that will never "snap up:" Credit value of a vacation day, rate of sick leave accrual, days off for reserves, daily credit guarantee/rigs, PBS credit window, credit value for involuntary schedule changes and the circumstances under which that can happen in the first place, the standards by which ARC is calculated and applied, etc ETC. Every piece of the puzzle, including but not limited to pay rates, is important.
09-06-2022 | 08:26 PM
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The union has repeatedly stated that the pilot body's expressed items of importance is at the core of their negotiating strategy. They have also mentioned that they're in constant contact with their counterparts at the other airlines to ensure that we're in the ballpark with everyone else, thereby not potentially leaving money on the table.
Because of this MEC's and NC's particular diligence, if we are first with a TA, I don’t think we'll end up crying in our beers, after seeing what the others end up getting.
Because of this MEC's and NC's particular diligence, if we are first with a TA, I don’t think we'll end up crying in our beers, after seeing what the others end up getting.
09-06-2022 | 08:53 PM
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I am curious, what am I pretending to know? We have an incredible negotiating team, an awesome MEC, I am hopeful right now. It does look like we will not have a unanimous favorable vote out of our MEC though🙄.
My understanding is a rate has been agreed too, our bonus is miles apart right now. JR manning, p/u, and reassignment pay should be worked next week. Sharing any numbers, wether they are accurate or not will only create turmoil. I am hopeful we will cross the finish line this week or next. The schmuck clause will hopefully protect us, should our analysis be way off.
And since I know nothing this shouldn’t bother anyone. I was told QX is in the final stages of being sold😱. November everyone, NOVEMBER!
My understanding is a rate has been agreed too, our bonus is miles apart right now. JR manning, p/u, and reassignment pay should be worked next week. Sharing any numbers, wether they are accurate or not will only create turmoil. I am hopeful we will cross the finish line this week or next. The schmuck clause will hopefully protect us, should our analysis be way off.
And since I know nothing this shouldn’t bother anyone. I was told QX is in the final stages of being sold😱. November everyone, NOVEMBER!
09-07-2022 | 07:11 AM
#25
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Things that will never "snap up:" Credit value of a vacation day, rate of sick leave accrual, days off for reserves, daily credit guarantee/rigs, PBS credit window, credit value for involuntary schedule changes and the circumstances under which that can happen in the first place, the standards by which ARC is calculated and applied, etc ETC. Every piece of the puzzle, including but not limited to pay rates, is important.
09-07-2022 | 07:43 AM
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It's a fool's errand to vote yes today on a subpar contract with the hopes that it will magically improve by an unknown amount later.
09-07-2022 | 07:57 AM
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Also, AS is the ONLY legacy which flies ONLY narrowbodies. That's a unique market niche, so plagiarizing somebody else's CBA is never going to get it exactly right. Standup on your own two feet and take care of your own business.
09-07-2022 | 08:01 AM
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Seriously, take a chill pill and trust the process and people we currently have working for us.
09-07-2022 | 08:22 AM
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We're all talking hypotheticals here, right?
The idea of filling the contract full of IOUs is a bad one. It allows the pilot group to not vote for the contract on its face, but the pilots get to inject all their hopes and dreams into their decision making.
Nevermind the fact that it opens up the door to management interpretation and implementation delays. 3rd step anyone?
We'll find out soon how good a job the NC has done. If they deliver a home run, expect to hear me cheering. But they have a long way to go to get to industry leading.
The idea of filling the contract full of IOUs is a bad one. It allows the pilot group to not vote for the contract on its face, but the pilots get to inject all their hopes and dreams into their decision making.
Nevermind the fact that it opens up the door to management interpretation and implementation delays. 3rd step anyone?
We'll find out soon how good a job the NC has done. If they deliver a home run, expect to hear me cheering. But they have a long way to go to get to industry leading.
09-07-2022 | 08:28 AM
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Alaska is just another airline. "Alaska stands alone" sounds like a little too much secret sauce.
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