For this issue specifically I really have a hard time finding the yes voters that look with disdain upon no voters. Not saying it’s not their but it does now and always has been in my experience more slanted to the no voters that believe they are on the high moral ground. Nothing wrong with voting No, it’s the ones who use as a tool to inflate their egos.

 

My biggest gripe is that section 25 is such an improvement and one of the best parts of the TA. However the reserve rules and total ARC compared to each RAP (flexibility) doesn’t kick in until 4/2024. That’s a year and a half, almost half the duration of the contract.

 

Do you have a more reputable source besides a low pixel screen shot of an excel spreadsheet? I can make up one real quick and screen shot it too. I could probably even make it blurry so it seems more legit.

 

I reached out to my rep and asked about this. Kicks in next year, not 2024…. there are some reasons why, AND this is something the company would prefer to have sooner rather than later…. But…. I’m not a rep, so confirm with your rep.

 

I did sir and he confirmed that the reserve section starts the same time as PBS.

 

I care a lot, about my fellow co-workers. Which is why I voted Yes on the industry-leading and unanimously approved and MEC recommended TA. Stop yelling fire around here while your own house is burning down. Good day…

 

It's easy to go into other airlines forums and tell them to vote no. You might gain from a no vote, or a TA2. But you certainly won't suffer any potential consequences of a no vote.

This TA is not sufficiently egregious enough to justify OAL people coming here and schooling people. Save it for your own peeps when you get a TA.

 

Wow……..🤦‍♂️

 

Direct quote from a slide at the roadshow…. Verbatim

Reserve Rules Implemented before new system:

14 hr LC
2.5 hr SC, Close In Parking/Rideshare
12 RAP
Additional Day off in 31 day month (Jan 2023)
Vacation (Jan 2023)
Reserve Flying on Day off
High Time Reserve
Clear order of assignment
Dropping reserve days

 

Of course you have a right to vote on the TA. Yes or no, your choice.


That said, a no vote is undermining your union. And a clear slap in the face to them, in that for the past 3 yrs your MEC did in fact NOT speak for you. It's undermining your union because they have clearly used guidance from ALPA National and presented to you a good contract that met the 4 cornerstone areas the pilot group asked for. It's backed by ALPA's EFA team that did their due diligence on the financial and economic aspects. It's also the fact that this TA was voted 100% unanimously by your union.

NotTellin chided me for saying that I would be happy with $320/hr and was met with a "you are undermining your union!" and "you are hurting the Negotiating committee" and "stop telling the company what you are happy with." I said that was the union written proposal just 6 months ago released in March, and how am I undermining them by being okay with what the union is proposing? That was met with a "it was 6 months ago! Inflation!!!!!"

Anyway, now NotTellin is saying not only is he a no vote, he's already made stickers that state "Don't blame me, I voted NO!"

Anyone voting no to this unanimously voted yes TA by the union can no longer claim "Me MEC Speaks for Me" and hopefully remove those stickers from their bags. Because they clearly didn't, which is why you voted no. NotTellin rebutted that they speak for me on matters regarding management. Well, what do you think they've been doing for the past 3 years?!


Btw, I undermined the union? Hmpf, you only wish it was $320/hr DOS.
It isn't. It'll be $306.

I'm still a yes.