View Poll Results: Will the TA Pass?
Yes
244
75.08%
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81
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Will It Pass?
10-07-2022, 09:09 PM
#255
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Joined APC: Feb 2020
Posts: 103
Originally Posted by FreqFlyer
So $12 more an hour is some life changing legendary amount….?
Life changing, no. However, an actual raise when you consider inflation would be nice. I could also afford some fresh tube socks and new balances.
10-07-2022, 09:21 PM
#256
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Position: This side of the dirt.
Posts: 890
Originally Posted by Rangerover
Life changing, no. However, an actual raise when you consider inflation would be nice. I could also afford some fresh tube socks and new balances.
10-08-2022, 01:27 AM
#259
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,615
Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
Yes, we have loud, angry, ignorant people in our group too. Early on they said they hadn’t met a yes vote and this was going down by 90%. We will all be able to watch as you are proved right or very very wrong. Just so you know, your NC is asking for a 16% DOS raise… you know that right? Ask them and do the math. Looks like you are headed for a Recall… I am sure you have the pulse of your company, just like the “Angry 30” at our company had it nailed!🤦♂️
SWAPA is “asking” for DOS of $318, $334 2023, and $350 2024…
oops, you knew that right?
And yes those are the converted TFP to hourly rate numbers 🙋♀️😂🍿
SWAPA is “asking” for DOS of $318, $334 2023, and $350 2024…
oops, you knew that right?
And yes those are the converted TFP to hourly rate numbers 🙋♀️😂🍿
10-08-2022, 03:48 AM
#260
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,618
I find it rather funny that OTZ knows SWAPA asking rates when SWAPA membership doesn't know...
I think Alaska pilot group is establishing the floor with this. I read your entire agreement, and think you managed to improve your contract substantially in other areas. I think it was awful that you've spent so much time working under concessionary rules and "pilots are a dime a dozen" environment to think this is worthy of a yes vote, particularly in this pilot market. I do think it was a very good start, but not that it was quite worth a yes vote just yet.
I'm happy that you've got a snap-up clause, but the rates you've agreed to have set the floor rather low and those rates will be used against the rest of us. You can bang your heads against the wall, worry about global thermonuclear war, the market, the Second Coming, whatever... supply vs. demand ultimately rules no matter how much people try to hide it. Pilots aren't exactly a dime a dozen anymore and the barriers to entry are rather high. There is something to be said when Mesa starts their FO's at $100/hour, or when Envoy check airmen are making more than WB captains. I won't even go into rewarding the management for stonewalling you and dragging this out and you rewarding them by not requiring a full retro. That's also unfortunate.
Prediction? Alaska pilot group will pass this by 68-32.
I think Alaska pilot group is establishing the floor with this. I read your entire agreement, and think you managed to improve your contract substantially in other areas. I think it was awful that you've spent so much time working under concessionary rules and "pilots are a dime a dozen" environment to think this is worthy of a yes vote, particularly in this pilot market. I do think it was a very good start, but not that it was quite worth a yes vote just yet.
I'm happy that you've got a snap-up clause, but the rates you've agreed to have set the floor rather low and those rates will be used against the rest of us. You can bang your heads against the wall, worry about global thermonuclear war, the market, the Second Coming, whatever... supply vs. demand ultimately rules no matter how much people try to hide it. Pilots aren't exactly a dime a dozen anymore and the barriers to entry are rather high. There is something to be said when Mesa starts their FO's at $100/hour, or when Envoy check airmen are making more than WB captains. I won't even go into rewarding the management for stonewalling you and dragging this out and you rewarding them by not requiring a full retro. That's also unfortunate.
Prediction? Alaska pilot group will pass this by 68-32.
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