IMHO anyone walking away from 12th yr pay to pursue the next big thing is making a mistake.

 

Did anyone say this?

 

Okay, but to be fair, this rate was effective 9/1. For a 3 yr contract, lets look at it from year 1, 2, and 3 perspective. Year 1 is now 3 months in. Everyone else is 284 but you are at 306. When is Delta's new payrate effective? I have no idea. How about AA and UA? No idea. But if you are saying hypothetically that it's April-Sept 1, then yes that's 5 months where they are at 336 and you're at 306. But that ignores September 2022 to April 2023, the 7 months you were at 306 when they were at 284. Just being fair, I don't see how you take offense at their higher payrate for the 5 months, but ignore your own higher rate than them for 7 months.

Barring VERY quick effective dates, Sept 1 2022 - Sept 1 2023 is either a wash OR goes in our favor from a pay perspective.

Sept 1, 2023 depends on who has contracts in place by then. Can't predict accurately at the moment. What is fair to say is that by Sept 1, 2024, all big 4 airlines will have new contracts and I *highly* doubt we will at 330.97 that year. It will be higher - how much remains to be seen.

 

You're right, we're in the midsts of a 5-7 month period of being paid $20/hr more than other 737 pilots. But we both know that's going to be short lived and it doesn't erase the decades of being paid 92% of market and at times less. Can you give me a good reason as to why ASA pilots shouldn't be the best compensated pilots in the world for the rest of our careers? We do everything the other guys do and then some. Redeyes, check. S.E. Alaska, check. Arctic, check. ETOPS, check. One of the highest efficiency and utility rates, check. Sustained record profitability, check....the list goes on. And we do it all for, dammm near, straight pay too.

You're right, all we have is our voices and tought talk to raise the issues. We shouldn't be using them to argue amongst each other as to why we should accept less. We need to be directing them towards management as to why we won't accept anything less than best.

 

Just give it up already…

 

Hey OTZSeagull. What’s the verdict? It’s Monday after all. When are those 787’s coming? Probably going to take a while with United ordering 100 of them tomorrow. But maybe, just maybe, United is going to say, let’s just buy an Eskimo. 🤣 The cherry on top is the virtual bases though. And not just a few of them. Why is it that every time you say something, nothing happens?

 

Give up? You mean like you gave up? Our pilot ranks are filled with people who just give up. No..I'm gonna keep asking for better.

Nobody is making you log in, read and respond to this. Why are you here if you don't like what you see? Seems like a moron thing to do.

 

Where was this argument for the past 60 years? Like it or not, the airlines evolved into what the NMB views as tiers.

 

I'm asking the same question! It should have been argued, if not the last 60, definitely when ASA broke out of the West Coast and started flying an identical route structure to everyone else, on top of flying the niche stuff in AK and going ETOPS. ASA has evolved too. We're no longer that north/south boutique airline. We're competing with everyone for PAX all over the country. Our "tier", should reflect that.

 

For perspective, fifty years ago, AS had only 135 pilots. In 2013, yes, 2013, only three years before they bought VX, they had only 1400 pilots. To quote this 2013 NY Times article, "Alaska Airlines is puny compared to the major carriers: it has 124 planes, while United Airlines has more than 700 and four times as many passengers".

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/b...ubles.amp.html