You sound like every other new hire. The ones that haven't left, of course. That's why they call you FNG's. "Super happy to be here sir!"
Since you decided to create a profile and descend into the conversation on your great white parachute, with your 6th, incredibly insightful post, let's be real. You get upset when someone doesn't agree that you made the greatest decision in aviation when you decided to come to AS. You wear this job like it's your skin. A very thin one at that. You can't separate your work world and your non work world. So as a result, you throw on your cape and step up to defend even the most mediocre aspects of AS. You take it personally when someone says things aren’t super A+, #1, at AS. Because if AS isn't perfect, then that must reflect poorly on you, right? You remind me of another guy on here. Sad.
If you had been following along, AT ALL, over the last 3 years...oh wait, you probably haven't been here that long. Well, if you had been following any of the TA, Contract or Negotiation, threads, you'd see it's not about what the "other" guy has, it's about what AS doesn't have. It's about thing we should have had, years ago. It's about what any self respecting, proud, pilot should expect.
I, and many of those that decided this contract didn't go far enough, made that decision, BEFORE, anyone had anything new to compare it to. We made that decision months ago when the AIP details were released. It's only now that we have a clearer picture of just HOW SHORT it really came.
I'm happy for you that your bar is low enough to have been met so easily. It really is the simplest path through life. But I have one question for you. If you're not going to spend your life b!#>+@<#g and moaning about things, why are you spending time on a b@=÷h board, b#=×#>@g and moaning about me?

 

You may not like the results, and that's your prerogative, but I'm pretty certain that most of the 82 percenters did not swallow the contract whole.

To varying degrees, I think most 'YES' voters in fact wished that certain items were either included, or were better than the gains achieved, but in the end, decided that overall, the TA checked off enough boxes to improve their personal, financial, and professional lives in a meaningful way.

I also think the SNAP UP provision was a big reason why most were willing to accept this offer, despite the fact that overall, we did not make out like bandits as was desired.

Let's see if this provision works as intended, because if it does, our payrates (yes, I know, it isn't all about payrates) would end up being well within the ballpark of the traditional leaders. If not, you could argue that once again we got hoodwinked and bamboozled, and the union should be questioned about it because they assured us that this thing was stress tested every which way to ensure that there were no escape hatches for the company.

 

Morning PAOT,
So this is certainly a new idea. Very interesting. But why "panic is driving this one". What is going on that would produce panic? We are steadily grinding away, making money hand over fist. I would imagine that Kootch is as happy as a high tide clam. But you say panic? You say that they were blundering around the halls with a faraway stare in their eyes the other day?
I can't imagine that they really give two snoots about pilot attrition as long as the metal keeps moving. It's just the cost of doing business (cheaply). Heck, we lost something like 300 pilots this year and they hardly blinked. So maybe that leaves some kind of hostile takeover or merger where they are all out on the street before they are ready? I think that would certainly produce panic in this latte sipping batch of "leaders". But panic??? It's fine with me if they want to explore multiple small bases, after ALPA makes sure all is proper of course, but panic??? I don't get it.

 

You are bad at math.

 

I hear people argue the case for the 401k v Pension
all the time. Everyone seems to have their own opinion, my financial advisor seemed to strongly favor the pension. They are both pretty good retirements. I did the company calculator today and I would get a 2.3 million lump and $10,700 a month for the rest of my life. No where near what you the dude is getting with his compounded 401k though. Company probably wishes they kept it, it would help with their attrition problem.

 

Yup, panic is the exact word I would use. Once all three have contracts, attrition will only significantly increase, they have to find a way to retain pilots and attract pilots. This summer could be a disaster, especially with our new contract language. This industry is not survivable with 10-20 percent of your fleet idle for lack of pilots.

 

O.k., I respect that. It didn't check enough boxes for me, so I voted no. It's not about being jealous of the other guys or having buyers remorse. I didn't buy in.
My discontent stems from the lack of improvements throughout the entire CBA. Not just pay scales or "snap ups". I feel like this was the best environment we could have hoped for to make gains in sections 1-31, not just 1, 3, 7, 8, 25 and 28. I think 3 years was more than enough time to get that done.
This was the most unified I had seen this group, pre or post VX merger. We held the cards in April. This ain't a flying club, this is how we provide for our families and care for ourselves. We work our arses off and deserve nothing less than a top tier CBA. Anybody says differently should go back to burning holes in some class G airspace on the weekends. I acknowledge we got some very important protections, ie. scope and rsv rules. I'm grateful for those but I feel like we pulled up short after that.
I sincerely hope the Average pay adjustment does work. Im not saying it will never happen. (Saying something will never happen is as dumb as saying something will definitely happen, which a few on here repeatedly do). I just don't see it happening until '24, due to SWA being so far behind in their negotiations. I base that on conversations with SW pilots. Time will tell.
But, to those that say, "don't like it, leave"....no, I'm not the one that needs to leave.... I'm going to stay and advocate for AS pilots because I believe we have more than earned our seat at the table. Perhaps those that don't feel we have, should be the ones to consider leaving. Allow the rest of us to remain and raise the bar for once.

 

Understood.....

 

Thank you. I'm so sick of the "love it or leave it" people. If all the pilots who care enough to advocate for the strongest gains and an actual top tier contract actually followed the not-so-sage advice of all the new hires on APC and left, then it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the pool of smugly content yes-men left will never break the cycle of crappy contracts this pilot group has been sucked into. Where the sanctimonious "love it or leave it's" see "b%@#&ing and whining," I see people who know exactly how much they deserve trying in vain to convince their peers to push for more.

If we're not here to extract every drop of value out of this career, then what are we here for?

 

Yes. The “love it or leave” crowd are pacifists that are just lucky to have others to fight their battles. I imagine they carry the same attitude throughout the rest of their lives as well. Left to their own attitudes, this place would devolve into something more Mesa-esque until they finally woke up.