LonesomeSky

Those rates are great, but do you know what would really water the eyes? Pref bid by summer '23. These genZ new hires don't know how to fax in a bid.

conquestdz

Because all of us local guys absolutely love reporting at 5 am and releasing at 1055 pm for a trip that pays 6 minutes above rig.

Cruz5350

Commutable from where BOI/GEG? Anything east of there is a rough commute. Commutable on one end you say well even if you only had to do 4 three days a month you’re still coming in the night prior for an AM start or sleeping in the airport to catch the first flight out in the morning now you’re down to only 14 days off a month. DEN LAS SLC PHX are the next closest and you might get lucky with catching the last flight out if you release early enough but you’re landing essentially at midnight or later and probably not home for another hour after that or more. Anything east of those cities is a bear of a commute and takes a toll on your QOL and that’s assuming you have zero commuting hiccups and everything goes out on schedule without being bumped. Pilots have choices these days and can essentially pick whatever airline they want and that’s what they’re doing why commute to AS or any airline for that matter if there’s one with a base where you live? It’s almost not even about the money any more because society has woken up to the fact that you can’t make up lost time thanks to Covid and pilots are choosing the QOL first and then the money second. I’ll go on record saying the worst decision Alaska made for its performance was closing down the JFK base. Their arrogance in thinking that they control the hiring environment has cost them untold millions over whatever trivial cost it was to keep it open as a base and the only evidence you need is the past few years of staffing inadequacies and current/future attrition. I’m sure some bean counter laid it all out on how much it was going to save 5 years ago and now look where we are, hell I probably would have stayed had it still been open. So for the company to cry foul because of uncancelled hotel rooms I’m sorry nobody cares losing one new hire who didn’t even last a few months cost you more in associated training costs than their monthly unused hotel costs.

NotTellin

As someone who commuted for over 30 years and now drives to work, I want what I’ve always wanted. I want to go to work late and be done early. I’m not sure why this pilot group does not understand that commutability is just that. Doesn’t matter if it’s by air or auto.

9mikemike

Has Alaska been running such a smooth ship that anyone could know they would not need a hotel room. Twice in the last 3 weeks my schedule changed on day 4 of 5. Called the hotel both times. Both times the hotel said that I was inside the 24 hrs to cancel. Charged the company card anyway. The goofy Alaska style stat about unused hotel rooms is empty and pointless. If I book a room at the Westin planning to check in at 10pm on a Sunday the cancellation window closes at 3 pm on Saturday. That is 31hrs before I plan to check in…..Think about the absolute goat screw the schedule has been for the last 6 months. The odds of being able to effectively cancel a hotel for a refund is seriously low. What the VP needs to do is look at each hotel room not cancelled as a result of carelessness and give us that number…..A tenth of what he is gloating about….Or make appropriate adjustment to the program and get busy figuring out why attrition is higher after the “mandate contract” then before….Flight ops is such an amateur hour operation

Cruz5350

My family used to own some restaurants we’ll call them sandwich shops lol little inside joke for those that know me. We always had to have a little more product on hand than was needed because it could spoil. If we didn’t have enough to service every customer who walked in the door then people would say hey why am I going to go to John’s sandwich shop if there’s no guarantee I’ll get what I want and if that happened I’d make less profit or possibly none at all. That’s what you’d call the “cost of doing business” and it’s your job as the owner to find a safe margin of having just enough extra to not have too much on hand and it be wasted. Imagine me being behind the counter and seeing a customer take the tomato’s off his sandwich and throw them away cause he didn’t want them only to say well what the heck why didn’t you tell me you didn’t want it I wouldn’t have put them on there. It’s prolly going to tick them off and not wana come back but the reality is I still woulda needed to stock them because I can’t always foresee when someone will want tomato’s or not. Business expenses my friend… that’s why you fly the plane and they make the decisions don’t take them personally, Alaska is going to have to figure this out the hard way at some point. I’d like to close this post out with a famous BM quote “if I had it my way I’d hire only enough so that every reserve pilot flew right up to max.”

rballan

Great, and add to that:

1. 18% DC.
2. Delta per diem.
3. Delta vacation day value.
4. Delta training day value.
5. Pay rate snap up language (not "averages") where we do not work at a discount to our competitors for 2/3rds of the year. Time value of money.

We fixed many items in this last round of SEC6, but there was much to be fixed and much more that remains to be fixed. We are only several months in to a new agreement and we already make less than Jetblue.

You want a 2 year extension? Bring your wallet.

Cheers - Rob.

Jetlikespeed

I’m curious what is DL per diem

KnockKnock

R. Allan for president. This right here, plus I'd add in WOCL and S.E. override. Higher sick time accrual and lower health care premiums. We would clearly hold the cards if they came back begging for an extension 7-8 months into a new CBA. Of course, I doubt this scenario plays out, but if it does, we better not tuck tail again.

KnockKnock

From what I read, their new per diem is tied to the current government rates. That's huge!! Something I've been advocating for, over the last two decades. That's a lot more TAX FREE DOLLARS in your pocket. Think of all the places we overnight on the East/West Coast and in the Islands. It's a win win for us and the company.