ShyGuy

Yes, in the form of an average payrate for 737/320 family at AA, DL, UA, SW, and B6. Once in Sept 1 this year and again Sept 1, 2024.

Southbay

I love the internet, and I’m not trying to argue with you. I think ALK got a great deal and I think the HAL TA is also great.

Clearly ALK signed in 2022, and the HAL TA would start in 2023. Yes those are two different calendar years. However, for 6 months of 2023 HAL would be at $329 versus ALK $306. Just an observation and what a great time to be a pilot!

KnockKnock

You see the world as most of us see the world. There are a special few who will argue about the calendar year while the rest of us agree that, yes indeed, AS pilots will make $23 less than HA pilots for 6 mos. of the year and $11 less for the following 6 months. At which point HA pilots will then jump again to making $24 more an hour.
We have a very slim possibility of making a few extra bucks in '23 due to our average pay clause but it's shaping up to only be $2-$4 above our current scheduled raise. Placing us firmly behind the HA pilots. '24 has a better chance of parity but we'll wallow there for 2, 3 or 4 years cementing us firmly in 6th place as far as pay goes.
It does seem to be a good time to be a pilot for those willing to fight the fight.

GoodJet

But wait! Doesn't our contract become amendable in 2024....

CordovaCA

"Alaska discount" meanwhile I'm making more than any NB CA I personally know at the big 3. The angry 18 will say our contract won't fix attrition. Yet in the same breath they say we gave away all leverage. Funny how they don't see the oxymoron.

PBP will have a kicker of probably +3% for profit margin on 7 or 8% so 10-11% payout. Go ask superior DL guys how much PS they're getting this year. Or have gotten last 3 years. Snap up will work. It'll be 7-10+ bucks in Sept depending on SW and AAL. Some guys just can't take the win. New contract has kicked in close to 70k extra for me in just 3 months.

ShyGuy

It’s the glass half empty mentality. There’s some here who will always look with envy, even though you could get $325-326/hr (assuming 4/5 have new contracts), but because HAL has $329, you’ll see it as a failure. There are some details in the HA TA that are less than ideal. But that’s overlooked. How convenient your side also left out that it was 6 months at 306 while they were stuck lower, see it cuts both ways.



https://www.cadillac.com/sedans/ct4

You’re at a Cadillac per month again.

The entire industry is. Enjoy this. Enjoy it all. It won’t last. The next downturn, losing a medical, cancer, accidental death, you make it, it’s happened. Just make the best if it and enjoy. 4/5 new contracts gets you a bump this year from 318 to about 325. 5/5 new contracts will bump to about 330-332. Next year’s Sept bump will be significant. All 5 will have new rates then. No way do we see only 331.

ShyGuy

I agree with most of all this. But I think the PBP max is 10%. Someone correct me if I’m wrong?

AnchorDown

Agree with you, congrats!! What was your backpay/signing bonus, or however you want to word it!?

Cruz5350

Delta is getting 5% for 2022. Sure Alaska got what was it 5% for the prior years during Covid but your math is not adding up. You may make more than the NB CA’s you personally know because you chose to pick up premium or extra trips but on a math basis that just simply isn’t true that a stock Captain or FO for that matter at Alaska was making more than their applicable Peers at either United or Delta. Let’s not let the facts get in the way using outliers at either airline either it isn’t a fair comparison. We can all agree though it is a phenomenal time to be in this industry and hopefully all of us stay healthy enough to stay in it for as long as we want to.

ASpilot0936

And all it took was a severe ice storm and a company wide meltdown to do it. All you knuckleheads who beat your chest about how much $$ this lackluster contract made you in Dec is hilarious. Like there's going to be a meltdown happening every month.