Ah, good to know, I mixed that up apparently. But the principle still applies, each side holds veto power independently.

 

It needs to be voted on and passed by both MECs. It then goes to the whole pilot group for a single vote. In my opinion, the Hawaiian pilots are relying heavily on our MEC to not screw this up because once it goes to a vote the Alaska side greatly outnumbers the Hawaiian side.

 

Be nice.

But the one *potential* silver lining for AS pilots in SLI is the *possibility* that the ACMI slots won't get the same traditional weighting as branded pax WB flying. Not really fair that those people get to play ACMI while it's a sweet deal but then when it all goes off the rails come in and displace AS pilots who committed to a NB pax career years ago.

 

Yes, in that case I agree that you guys rely on your MEC in a big way.

 

You think this is going to be fair? lol

 

Truly mind boggling that some people here are okay with a B scale for wide body pilots on Alaska's seniority list. Especially when half of you complain that the big 3 and Skywest have better pay and work rules than Alaska. Amazon partners with Atlas and ABX for their wide body flying, who make less than their counterparts at UPS and Fedex doing the same type of flying, and you want them in parity with the lower paid cargo pilots? I mean why not stop there? Why don't you just create a B scale for the 737 guys doing the cargo ops? Sun Country is already flying Amazon 737s. We can match their pay rates, hire more pilots to staff the new Amazon 737s and hire more pilots so you can all move up the seniority list! Just keep whipsawing down so there is no "waste" in negotiating capital.

 

U wouldn’t get it dude. Theres a lot of open time flying right now so if you work 20 days a month and have your entire schedule re-arranged you’re going to be a top earner. So actually the B scale makes sense

 

The problem is it's not just the pay scale, it's literally everything, it's a different business model. I'm not sure how you reconcile it. Other than just dig in and insist on the same pay and rules as pax WB's, and then the company can do what they want with it. Or not.

 

When did I say that? It will be "fair" in that it will follow ALPA policy which we all implicitly agreed to when we took the job at AS.


As I've been pointing out it will be relatively neutral for the AS side if (and only if) the company succeeds with it's aspirations....

1. Fix HA Asia business model.
2. Open and grow SEA Europe business model.
3.AZ flying somehow sticks around.

Otherwise it's not going to be fun for us, as we get forced down by displaced WB pilots with super-seniority.

Is "not fun" the same as "not fair"? Again we can't really complain about ALPA policy, if we really didn't like that we should have started our own union before this came down. Then it would come down to MB / AM and you could argue what was economically fair, and the courts wouldn't care about widebodies other than the underlying economics.

 

That just really makes no sense from any angle. I know a lot of people are getting stuck on the "B-scale" thing, but again, you have to look at the total package in this case. If it were a true scale I'd be dead set against it, but it's not. If I'm earning $1 an hour, but the contract earns me 30,000 credit hours a month with 16 days worked, it's not a b-scale compared to a contract that gets me $300 an hour where I earn 100 hours of credit for the same work. That's not a perfect analogy, because the work for Amazon is just so different, but its not far off. Giving that up and causing a displacement bid by forcing the company to operate under pax rules that don't work with Amazon would be asenine.