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proprunnner 05-02-2022 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by Max Thrust (Post 3415839)
Stop talking, you’re embarrassing yourself

No. I think I'll continue. Because you're a joke to me with little comprehension skills.

ImperialxRat 05-02-2022 11:59 PM


Originally Posted by 05Duramax (Post 3415972)
If you are a new hire in training and the pilot group were to go on strike what happens to you? Your not a pilot yet, and I certainly wouldn’t cross a picket line.

What if your out of training and a strike happens? You are still on probation, are you still guaranteed your job back when the strike ends?

Thanks!

Hey there, welcome to a part 121 carrier. If you're in training while a strike happens, then you show up to class as normal. You're still a pilot, you're just on probation. Probation lasts for one year, and during that time you don't do any union job action that reflects negatively on the company, which includes informational picketing and striking work. I am sure that the union will put out more information if it comes time for a strike, which would still be months away. The good news is that all the captains you would be paired with will be on strike (except management pilots and one other guy), so most likely your trip would cancel before you needed to show at the airport, but for the sake of your job during probation, you show up to work as normal.

I could be wrong, so definitely call your rep or wait for an official union email informing you what to do in the event of a strike.

snackysmores 05-03-2022 12:18 AM


Originally Posted by ImperialxRat (Post 3416102)
The good news is that all the captains you would be paired with will be on strike (except management pilots and one other guy), so most likely your trip would cancel before you needed to show at the airport, but for the sake of your job during probation, you show up to work as normal.

Yeah I don't think so. The union would have guidance for those in class but I can't imagine any scenario in which new hires would be flying and not on the picket line, regardless of their probationary status.

ImperialxRat 05-03-2022 12:30 AM


Originally Posted by snackysmores (Post 3416103)
Yeah I don't think so. The union would have guidance for those in class but I can't imagine any scenario in which new hires would be flying and not on the picket line, regardless of their probationary status.

Now you have me curious.. I would think on probation they wouldn't participate.. how many management pilots are there total? Not enough to even make a dent if we went on strike.

snackysmores 05-03-2022 12:37 AM


Originally Posted by ImperialxRat (Post 3416107)
Now you have me curious.. I would think on probation they wouldn't participate.. how many management pilots are there total? Not enough to even make a dent if we went on strike.

Which is why it would be a wasted effort for the company to fire them after paying for their expensive type ratings, there would also obviously be a reinstatement clause with back pay for any probationary pilot terminated for refusing to fly struck work once it was over.

The only planes flying would be flown by management and scabs.

WHACKMASTER 05-03-2022 12:43 AM

I’ve been on an extended strike once so I speak from that experience but also “traditionally” those on probation would not picket but most certainly not show up to fly struck work either. There are plenty of other duties to do during a strike that don’t involve picketing in your uniform such as helping to run the strike center.

The thing to keep in mind is that when your union finally reaches a deal with your company, it will most surely have a clause that any hostages that were taken by the company need to have their jobs reinstated. That’s almost a given during every strike.

rickair7777 05-03-2022 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by ImperialxRat (Post 3416102)
Hey there, welcome to a part 121 carrier. If you're in training while a strike happens, then you show up to class as normal. You're still a pilot, you're just on probation. Probation lasts for one year, and during that time you don't do any union job action that reflects negatively on the company, which includes informational picketing and striking work. I am sure that the union will put out more information if it comes time for a strike, which would still be months away. The good news is that all the captains you would be paired with will be on strike (except management pilots and one other guy), so most likely your trip would cancel before you needed to show at the airport, but for the sake of your job during probation, you show up to work as normal.

I could be wrong, so definitely call your rep or wait for an official union email informing you what to do in the event of a strike.


Originally Posted by snackysmores (Post 3416103)
Yeah I don't think so. The union would have guidance for those in class but I can't imagine any scenario in which new hires would be flying and not on the picket line, regardless of their probationary status.

MEC will make the call as to whether to continue training or not, and whether to cross the line. The catch is that IOE is still struck work, assuming they even have a LCA qualified management pilot or scab to sit in the left seat.

Also even if the MEC says it's OK, it might be better for long-term purposes to not fly anyway. If you're 50 y/o and the MEC says do it, sure, you're staying at AS anyway. But if you're 35 and hoping to go to a big major I'm not sure I'd want any muddy water about flying during a strike... it might be hard to wash that stink off even if it was technically approved.

For that reason IMO it would be best for the MEC to just tell the noobs to not fly at all. The union will get their jobs back, that's how it always works. If that's too nerve-wracking for you I would not take an AS class date until it's all resolved. But I cannot imagine a strike at a legacy, with near-full participation, lasting more than a few days. I'd be amazed if the company is stoopid enough to actually let it get that far... the damage to the brand and future bookings would be very high, even a single day of strike would have operational repercussions for a week. They'd probably lose $100M on day one. They're probably hanging their hat on the fed not releasing any airlines. Or M&A induced arbitration.

ImperialxRat 05-03-2022 09:06 AM

Thank you guys for setting me straight, that all makes good sense now, and I don’t want to be spreading bad info. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that.

HeadInTheTops 05-03-2022 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by ImperialxRat (Post 3416102)
Hey there, welcome to a part 121 carrier. If you're in training while a strike happens, then you show up to class as normal. You're still a pilot, you're just on probation. Probation lasts for one year, and during that time you don't do any union job action that reflects negatively on the company, which includes informational picketing and striking work. I am sure that the union will put out more information if it comes time for a strike, which would still be months away. The good news is that all the captains you would be paired with will be on strike (except management pilots and one other guy), so most likely your trip would cancel before you needed to show at the airport, but for the sake of your job during probation, you show up to work as normal.

I could be wrong, so definitely call your rep or wait for an official union email informing you what to do in the event of a strike.

Lol, no. Flying during a strike just because you're on probation would be the dumbest way to start an airline career in the history of aviation. Particularly during this job market. The only people who would do the would probably be those quality individuals who would scab, regardless.

GoodJet 05-03-2022 09:55 AM

P2P volunteers and also mentors for new hires have gotten a lot of information from our union about new hires and strikes and also strikes in general. The last P2P call was focused on this subject. I can say without a doubt, do not get your information from APC forums. It's about as good as the M&A rumors and OTZ's predictions.

If you have any questions about a strike and you are a new hire: Speak with your ALPA assigned mentor. If you don't have a mentor and you read the last few pages of well.... very incorrect information you are welcome to PM me here and I can answer your questions.


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