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Old 05-14-2022, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Twr199 View Post
DAL is nowhere close to a deal…
That’s what ALPA is saying publicly, they are a lot closer then you think, why give up the 321 if your not?
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Old 05-14-2022, 09:42 AM
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That’s what ALPA is saying publicly, they are a lot closer then you think, why give up the 321 if your not?
Management wants concessions in scheduling/work rules, we want to erase concessions from bankruptcy that are still there. We haven't even opened the section about pay rates.
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Old 05-14-2022, 10:00 AM
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This is still the same playbook they’ve been using when we first started negotiation.

After months of no progress, leadership comes in and has “productive talks” with the union about moving things forward and our goals seem to be finally aligning. We get a Union podcast/letter saying things are looking up. Then, 2 weeks later, they have another meeting where they’re gonna iron out the details… except BM and ST don’t show. Instead, it’s JW and some other underling who don’t have the power to actually agree to anything, but they are free to renege on all the “productive” discussion that previously occurred.

I certainly hope that isn’t the case this time around, but I’ve seen this dog and pony show a few too many times.
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Old 05-14-2022, 10:40 AM
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This is still the same playbook they’ve been using when we first started negotiation.

After months of no progress, leadership comes in and has “productive talks” with the union about moving things forward and our goals seem to be finally aligning. We get a Union podcast/letter saying things are looking up. Then, 2 weeks later, they have another meeting where they’re gonna iron out the details… except BM and ST don’t show. Instead, it’s JW and some other underling who don’t have the power to actually agree to anything, but they are free to renege on all the “productive” discussion that previously occurred.

I certainly hope that isn’t the case this time around, but I’ve seen this dog and pony show a few too many times.
The big difference is that AS's once pristine reputation is being torn to threads. That's a problem.
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Old 05-14-2022, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by All Bizniz View Post
The big difference is that AS's once pristine reputation is being torn to threads. That's a problem.
Hard to quantify that using GAAP, so it's probably irrelevant.
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Old 05-14-2022, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by GreatBigSea View Post
This is still the same playbook they’ve been using when we first started negotiation.

After months of no progress, leadership comes in and has “productive talks” with the union about moving things forward and our goals seem to be finally aligning. We get a Union podcast/letter saying things are looking up. Then, 2 weeks later, they have another meeting where they’re gonna iron out the details… except BM and ST don’t show. Instead, it’s JW and some other underling who don’t have the power to actually agree to anything, but they are free to renege on all the “productive” discussion that previously occurred.

I certainly hope that isn’t the case this time around, but I’ve seen this dog and pony show a few too many times.
Yeah, standard wear-em-down tactics, wouldn't get hopes up too far. Although the top boys really have to be feeling some heat right now so who knows.
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Old 05-14-2022, 11:19 AM
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Why did you think a bid was coming out? A new bid should be out in June.
from the front page of the last position bid
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Old 05-14-2022, 11:26 AM
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I expect BM and ST to be there in 9 days. I expect early progress and then gridlock. I expect to hear on the 26th from the union that “we are still miles apart.” Memorial weekend will be an absolute disaster, management will finally realize this will never work without a fair deal. I expect a TA June 3rd. Without it, our brand will be destroyed over the summer, irreparable harm the board can’t let happen.
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Old 05-14-2022, 11:28 AM
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from the front page of the last position bid

Ah really? That’s not what that means. It’s just stating, that is the date the system will be available for you to submit “your” preferences for the next bid, whenever it occurs.
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Old 05-14-2022, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 View Post
I expect BM and ST to be there in 9 days. I expect early progress and then gridlock. I expect to hear on the 26th from the union that “we are still miles apart.” Memorial weekend will be an absolute disaster, management will finally realize this will never work without a fair deal. I expect a TA June 3rd. Without it, our brand will be destroyed over the summer, irreparable harm the board can’t let happen.
Won’t the alameda brand get destroyed with merger ? Whoever that might be…
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