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Old 12-10-2017 | 11:06 AM
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It’s going to pass.
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Old 12-10-2017 | 11:52 AM
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Supposedly some significant financing, for this ridiculous monstrosity in FL, is contingent upon the passing of this TA. You know what that means. They NEED A DEAL and the FAs have a ton of leverage because of that.

I would be voting no. A senior FA getting guarantee (assuming 70 hours - I don’t know their rules) isn’t even grossing 40k.

If the company truly needs this done, there isn’t a chance in hell they should being voting this in. Given they came to the table with this deal, seemingly unannounced, I think it’s pretty safe to say they need it wrapped up.

FAs have leverage. Use it.
The Sunseeker thing hinges on an FA contract that will barely cost the company a few million? How is that even credible, particularly since the plan is to sell a majority of the condos before even breaking ground, pretty much funding the thing outright? They should indeed vote no, but they don't have leverage against their hotel plan...anyone recall any rumors about brand new airplanes when our TA dropped?
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Old 12-10-2017 | 12:34 PM
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The FA deal has nothing to do with the resort. It has everything to do with aircraft financing and potential mergers. Many things are going on behind the scenes right now.
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Old 12-10-2017 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Machaca
The Sunseeker thing hinges on an FA contract that will barely cost the company a few million? How is that even credible, particularly since the plan is to sell a majority of the condos before even breaking ground, pretty much funding the thing outright? They should indeed vote no, but they don't have leverage against their hotel plan...anyone recall any rumors about brand new airplanes when our TA dropped?
I don’t recall new airplane rumors, yet that is exactly what happened. Again the company came to the pilots out of nowhere and came to a deal. They needed it for those planes. They showed up to the FA table with a deal, again out of nowhere.

I’m sure their BS is getting built regardless, yet you don’t think they could get say better interest rates or other terms by having contracts in place?

You really think it’s a coincidence the FAs and mechanics are all working on contracts right now?

There is a reason for it. They would continue to drag this out if there wasn’t.
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Old 12-10-2017 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CAirBear
Supposedly some significant financing, for this ridiculous monstrosity in FL, is contingent upon the passing of this TA. You know what that means. They NEED A DEAL and the FAs have a ton of leverage because of that.

I would be voting no. A senior FA getting guarantee (assuming 70 hours - I don’t know their rules) isn’t even grossing 40k.

If the company truly needs this done, there isn’t a chance in hell they should being voting this in. Given they came to the table with this deal, seemingly unannounced, I think it’s pretty safe to say they need it wrapped up.

FAs have leverage. Use it.
I toss the BS flag on this. FA’s don’t cost much, and there would be no financing hanging in the balance. 150 hours a month (or whatever the workaholics do) @ 25 bucks an hour is nothing.

The company only needs a deal when the NMB releases them.
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Old 12-11-2017 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by CAirBear
I don’t recall new airplane rumors, yet that is exactly what happened. Again the company came to the pilots out of nowhere and came to a deal. They needed it for those planes. They showed up to the FA table with a deal, again out of nowhere.

I’m sure their BS is getting built regardless, yet you don’t think they could get say better interest rates or other terms by having contracts in place?

You really think it’s a coincidence the FAs and mechanics are all working on contracts right now?

There is a reason for it. They would continue to drag this out if there wasn’t.

Mechanics aren't working on a contract. They barely just started their card drive.
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Old 12-11-2017 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by grnclvrs
Mechanics aren't working on a contract. They barely just started their card drive.
I’m aware, but the company did approach them with an offer.
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Old 12-11-2017 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by CAirBear
I’m aware, but the company did approach them with an offer.
How 2009 of them.
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Old 12-11-2017 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ecam
The FA deal has nothing to do with the resort. It has everything to do with aircraft financing and potential mergers. Many things are going on behind the scenes right now.
I tend to agree with this statement. 2018 may be a very interesting year for us.
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Old 12-12-2017 | 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Desert Sky
I tend to agree with this statement. 2018 may be a very interesting year for us.
The silence from management has been deafening lately. The subtle hints during down halls about Sun Country were sending either meant to confuse or inform, but I doubt were an accident. There has been a lack of any major announcements or any significant expansion lately. Either Allegiant has plateaued or something big is in the works.
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