Spirit And management working cohesively
08-25-2020, 05:14 PM
#31
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Joined APC: Jan 2020
Posts: 87
Originally Posted by captnate702
The Company rejected the union's ETO offer that had a full no furlough clause. What we are talking about here and what is industry standard is a furlough mitigation agreement. Try to reduce the number of furloughed pilots via voluntary participation in an extended leave program for 45-50 hrs (get out of here with 35 hours...looking at you Indigo/F9).
Based on the video from Vegas, the union's offer was tied to complete no furlough commitment, not furlough mitigation - that's a big distinction. All the agreements getting done are based on furlough mitigation, and my two cents is that an agreement with a full no furlough clause is not at all realistic.
Based on the video from Vegas, the union's offer was tied to complete no furlough commitment, not furlough mitigation - that's a big distinction. All the agreements getting done are based on furlough mitigation, and my two cents is that an agreement with a full no furlough clause is not at all realistic.
08-25-2020, 05:19 PM
#32
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Joined APC: May 2011
Posts: 133
I'm a bit slow. So maybe I missed something but where is this VOULUNTARY crap coming from?
The company to my knowledge has only offered to INVOLUNTARILY furlough out of seniority (temporary I guess) and that's where the torch and pitchfork crowd is coming from. Maybe there have been more negotiations that I haven't seen/read but what union in their right mind would accept involuntary furlough out of seniority order no matter what clauses they add?
I understand this is an anonymous internet forum, so conspiracy theories and false info run rampant. But there is no offer of 50 or 45 or even 35 hours to my knowledge (that doesn't include INVOLUNTARY furloughs). So as pilots we of course will speculate all day and compare company X to company Y till the cows come home, but there is currently not even a real offer to consider unless I am not privy to something.
Maybe G4 furloughs can apply to be managers over at SunSeeker? (OK that was unnecessary sarcasm but I couldn't help it)
I hope everyone keeps their job at every airline. Good luck!
The company to my knowledge has only offered to INVOLUNTARILY furlough out of seniority (temporary I guess) and that's where the torch and pitchfork crowd is coming from. Maybe there have been more negotiations that I haven't seen/read but what union in their right mind would accept involuntary furlough out of seniority order no matter what clauses they add?
I understand this is an anonymous internet forum, so conspiracy theories and false info run rampant. But there is no offer of 50 or 45 or even 35 hours to my knowledge (that doesn't include INVOLUNTARY furloughs). So as pilots we of course will speculate all day and compare company X to company Y till the cows come home, but there is currently not even a real offer to consider unless I am not privy to something.
Maybe G4 furloughs can apply to be managers over at SunSeeker? (OK that was unnecessary sarcasm but I couldn't help it)
I hope everyone keeps their job at every airline. Good luck!
08-25-2020, 05:27 PM
#33
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 278
Originally Posted by CptGSXR
I'm a bit slow. So maybe I missed something but where is this VOULUNTARY crap coming from?
The company to my knowledge has only offered to INVOLUNTARILY furlough out of seniority (temporary I guess) and that's where the torch and pitchfork crowd is coming from. Maybe there have been more negotiations that I haven't seen/read but what union in their right mind would accept involuntary furlough out of seniority order no matter what clauses they add?
I understand this is an anonymous internet forum, so conspiracy theories and false info run rampant. But there is no offer of 50 or 45 or even 35 hours to my knowledge (that doesn't include INVOLUNTARY furloughs). So as pilots we of course will speculate all day and compare company X to company Y till the cows come home, but there is currently not even a real offer to consider unless I am not privy to something.
Maybe G4 furloughs can apply to be managers over at SunSeeker? (OK that was unnecessary sarcasm but I couldn't help it)
I hope everyone keeps their job at every airline. Good luck!
The company to my knowledge has only offered to INVOLUNTARILY furlough out of seniority (temporary I guess) and that's where the torch and pitchfork crowd is coming from. Maybe there have been more negotiations that I haven't seen/read but what union in their right mind would accept involuntary furlough out of seniority order no matter what clauses they add?
I understand this is an anonymous internet forum, so conspiracy theories and false info run rampant. But there is no offer of 50 or 45 or even 35 hours to my knowledge (that doesn't include INVOLUNTARY furloughs). So as pilots we of course will speculate all day and compare company X to company Y till the cows come home, but there is currently not even a real offer to consider unless I am not privy to something.
Maybe G4 furloughs can apply to be managers over at SunSeeker? (OK that was unnecessary sarcasm but I couldn't help it)
I hope everyone keeps their job at every airline. Good luck!
08-25-2020, 05:33 PM
#34
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Joined APC: May 2011
Posts: 133
Originally Posted by j3cub
Their email said volunteers could contact them and be considered for furlough ahead of a more junior pilot.
08-25-2020, 07:07 PM
#35
New Hire
Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 7
The only thing involuntary is forced STTO/ETO if there aren’t enough volunteers. And some guy throws a fit because someone junior to him in another base doesn’t get forced take ETO. The other option is to be displaced and forced to pack up and move. 45 hours or pack up and move? 🤔
08-25-2020, 07:55 PM
#36
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Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 440
Originally Posted by TLock
I absolutely disagree with you! Getting VFN’s corrected needs to be a top priority. We all know when they furlough the company will furlough deep. We will be inadequately staffed. We need to have resolutions for the VFN’s because there will be more than ever and I for one want to be paid correctly.
08-26-2020, 03:02 AM
#37
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Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 9
Originally Posted by DiveAndDrive
Please do the furloughees a favor and not pick up any OT or VFNs while someone is out on the street. Those furloughed pilots could have been used to cover those open trips. Of course, my opinion. You do you. But it’s your conscience you have to answer to.
08-26-2020, 04:32 AM
#38
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 278
Originally Posted by TLock
Why not? The reality is furloughs happen in this career. I have paid my dues and earned my seniority here. You most likely do not know what it was like to work here several years ago, and do not realize how important it is to defend the CBA and honor seniority. It is unfortunate guys will be getting furloughed but, the rest of us who have paid our dues should not have to suffer as well.
2) Because it's not ALL about you.
3) Because until trips start NOT getting covered, no one will get called back.
4) See 1-3
08-26-2020, 07:01 AM
#39
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Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 9
Originally Posted by j3cub
1) Beacuse it's selfish.
2) Because it's not ALL about you.
3) Because until trips start NOT getting covered, no one will get called back.
4) See 1-3
2) Because it's not ALL about you.
3) Because until trips start NOT getting covered, no one will get called back.
4) See 1-3
