Contract negotiations
01-24-2023 | 03:01 PM
#1241
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Yeah I'm not sure what he means when he says guarantee day trips. All you can do is have a higher min pay per day based on the length of the trip, or some type of graduated tafb rig. A guarantee doesn't really mean anything without some type of financial incentive.
01-24-2023 | 03:02 PM
#1242
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We proposed a min % of trips must be day trips, management rejected it and sources say it hasn't been brought up since. If there is min% of trips must be day trips then that is a difficult thing to "ignore" when its a number that can easily be quantified. Similar to min # of days in a month, etc.
Y'all can poo poo my biggest asks, and my "sample size" but none of you have mentioned any other reason for being here. Margi, tom, tailend, etc. why are you all here if not for the day trips? please give me one reason you are still here? if you don't have other options, i get it. But anybody with options would be crazy to stay here unless they valued the day trips. there is nothing that this place offers to keep somebody here...
Still waiting to hear of any reason why someone would stay here if not for the day trips...
Y'all can poo poo my biggest asks, and my "sample size" but none of you have mentioned any other reason for being here. Margi, tom, tailend, etc. why are you all here if not for the day trips? please give me one reason you are still here? if you don't have other options, i get it. But anybody with options would be crazy to stay here unless they valued the day trips. there is nothing that this place offers to keep somebody here...
Still waiting to hear of any reason why someone would stay here if not for the day trips...
01-24-2023 | 03:03 PM
#1243
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We proposed a min % of trips must be day trips, management rejected it and sources say it hasn't been brought up since. If there is min% of trips must be day trips then that is a difficult thing to "ignore" when its a number that can easily be quantified. Similar to min # of days in a month, etc.
Y'all can poo poo my biggest asks, and my "sample size" but none of you have mentioned any other reason for being here. Margi, tom, tailend, etc. why are you all here if not for the day trips? please give me one reason you are still here? if you don't have other options, i get it. But anybody with options would be crazy to stay here unless they valued the day trips. there is nothing that this place offers to keep somebody here...
Still waiting to hear of any reason why someone would stay here if not for the day trips...
Y'all can poo poo my biggest asks, and my "sample size" but none of you have mentioned any other reason for being here. Margi, tom, tailend, etc. why are you all here if not for the day trips? please give me one reason you are still here? if you don't have other options, i get it. But anybody with options would be crazy to stay here unless they valued the day trips. there is nothing that this place offers to keep somebody here...
Still waiting to hear of any reason why someone would stay here if not for the day trips...
01-24-2023 | 03:05 PM
#1244
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Exactly: that’s day trips. I’m in the same boat. If I’m living in base but my trips are 4-5 days then living in base is WAY less important because I’m still spending 35% of my life in a crummy airport hotel.
Let’s get those day trips codified and protected.
Let’s get those day trips codified and protected.
01-24-2023 | 03:07 PM
#1245
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there is no way to guarantee day trips. All you can do is negotiate pay premiums for multi day trips to create a financial incentive to the company for day trips. No management team would ever sign a contract that inhibits their ability to operate the airline as you suggest.
01-24-2023 | 03:08 PM
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I’m not commuting to work or commuting to reserve. Overnights don’t bother me.
01-24-2023 | 03:12 PM
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Why do you hate commuting so much? if you were willing to commute you'd get an extra couple mil in career earnings...
I will do anything to try and avoid spending a third of my life in a hotel by myself when i could spend it at home family/friends.
01-24-2023 | 03:16 PM
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They would make the pilots pay for any such "guarantee" with lower benefits QOL and/or pay elsewhere. Pay and benefits that would be written into the agreement and last for the duration. Meanwhile still waiting on that PBS.....
No thanks.
No thanks.
01-24-2023 | 03:55 PM
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You hate commuting so much that you'd rather stay here and not commute instead of working for legacy? Maybe a legacy isn't an option, but I just don't understand your decision making process if you are gonna let your dislike of commuting to keep you here vs a legacy gig.
Why do you hate commuting so much? if you were willing to commute you'd get an extra couple mil in career earnings...
I will do anything to try and avoid spending a third of my life in a hotel by myself when i could spend it at home family/friends.
Why do you hate commuting so much? if you were willing to commute you'd get an extra couple mil in career earnings...
I will do anything to try and avoid spending a third of my life in a hotel by myself when i could spend it at home family/friends.
01-24-2023 | 04:21 PM
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there is no way to guarantee day trips. All you can do is negotiate pay premiums for multi day trips to create a financial incentive to the company for day trips. No management team would ever sign a contract that inhibits their ability to operate the airline as you suggest.
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