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Old 02-01-2023, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by captnate702 View Post
If the stock is gonna perform well by shrinking ti profitability then it will just solidify that we will be in mediation for at least a 2-3 years.

I just checked again and the stock was up 10.23% in after hours trading. Unless the mass exodus actually occurs (which is becoming less likely imo) then management is gonna be laughing all the way to the bank with the 100m savings in pilot compensation.
You got it!
Mass Exodus most likely just big talk…
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Old 02-01-2023, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie View Post
You got it!
Mass Exodus most likely just big talk…
Everyone who "got the memo" during the holidays is/has been interviewing in Jan and Feb and will bail in the Spring.
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Old 02-01-2023, 08:40 PM
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Stock is up because of share buyback.
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Old 02-01-2023, 08:45 PM
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Stock is up because of share buyback.
I don’t think the 16% margins hurt either…
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Old 02-02-2023, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville View Post
Except that Allegiant was the only major airline to decline today.

Big Investors generally know the news before it's published.
I shouldn't be so petty...but I guess I am when it comes busting your chops Margi
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Old 02-02-2023, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by captnate702 View Post
I shouldn't be so petty...but I guess I am when it comes busting your chops Margi
Dumbasses in Vegas have no excuse to not pay up now. In the last 3 months they lost $60m on a roach motel which is eff-all to do with us but are spending money that we provided, and they still made $2.5m profit.

I hope that NMB lady doesn't cut them some slack with their BS excuses.
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Old 02-02-2023, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Be Realistic View Post
Dumbasses in Vegas have no excuse to not pay up now. In the last 3 months they lost $60m on a roach motel which is eff-all to do with us but are spending money that we provided, and they still made $2.5m profit.

I hope that NMB lady doesn't cut them some slack with their BS excuses.
Their excuse is that they simply don’t want to. Attrition is obviously not high enough to be a huge concern for them. They’ve shown us who they are, it’s up to each individual if you believe them or not. A contract isn’t coming anytime soon. If your employment here is based on a new contract, leave. If it’s not, go on about your life and just know it will be a long time before you see the rates that anyone else is currently enjoying.
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Old 02-03-2023, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by captnate702 View Post
I shouldn't be so petty...but I guess I am when it comes busting your chops Margi
Petty indeed. Maybe instead of bragging like a fool that you won an argument on the internet, G4 pilots should be questioning why the company can afford to buy back stock, but can't afford an industry standard contract.

Congratulations Natalie, missing the forest for the trees as usual. That's why you're senior at Allegiant with no life ambition or opportunity but to hang onto your sweet gig and desperately defend all of management's decisions. Sure hope all these rabble rousers rocking the boat don't ruin it for you.

Wake up guys. This is more proof that management doesn't care about you and will never treat you fairly. In their view, you're lucky to have this job. This is a blatant middle finger to buy back stock right after going to contract mediation. This is the "executive compensation" they promised during the covid cutbacks, and it's money straight out of your pockets.
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Old 02-03-2023, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville View Post
Petty indeed. Maybe instead of bragging like a fool that you won an argument on the internet, G4 pilots should be questioning why the company can afford to buy back stock, but can't afford an industry standard contract.

Congratulations Natalie, missing the forest for the trees as usual. That's why you're senior at Allegiant with no life ambition or opportunity but to hang onto your sweet gig and desperately defend all of management's decisions. Sure hope all these rabble rousers rocking the boat don't ruin it for you.

Wake up guys. This is more proof that management doesn't care about you and will never treat you fairly. In their view, you're lucky to have this job. This is a blatant middle finger to buy back stock right after going to contract mediation. This is the "executive compensation" they promised during the covid cutbacks, and it's money straight out of your pockets.
I’m posting on an anonymous online forum and you expect me to act all professional and not be petty - especially when you are just as petty (pot meet kettle)?

The only thing funnier than you treating this place like the board room or union hall is that you think you’ve doxxed me as Nathan. As if Nate is actually my real name - you think I’m that lazy and stupid? I ain’t the best or the brightest (obviously) but I’m not dumb as a doornail either.

Quit being lazy and calling me management tool when it’s obvious by my posts that I’ve only ever been critical - realistic as well - of management. I’ve also been critical of AR and our union overlords. I expect management to treat me like dirt. No one here has ever said management was good, etc so why engage in an echo chamber. We all know the animosity they have for us bus drivers. We are fungible and they are indifferent. Might as well be widgets.

The union on the hand, I pay them (the most in the industry btw) and they work for us but instead they’re no different than your typical corrupt politician or union boss who’s getting wealthy off the backs of other people’s labor. If that makes me a management tool then so be it.

1224/2118, is all the same to me, still paying too dollar for subpar representation. I was optimistic when we formed our local but it’s the same result, just different people with their hand the cookie jar.

Am I gonna leave? Not until the union overlords start putting out their apps, then I’ll know this place is surely going down. They’ve got the most info, if it was really as bad as they say and the opportunities really that great then they’d bail as well.

You think AR and his minions are sticking around because they’re altruistic hahahaha??
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Old 02-03-2023, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by captnate702 View Post
I’m posting on an anonymous online forum and you expect me to act all professional and not be petty - especially when you are just as petty (pot meet kettle)?

The only thing funnier than you treating this place like the board room or union hall is that you think you’ve doxxed me as Nathan. As if Nate is actually my real name - you think I’m that lazy and stupid? I ain’t the best or the brightest (obviously) but I’m not dumb as a doornail either.

Quit being lazy and calling me management tool when it’s obvious by my posts that I’ve only ever been critical - realistic as well - of management. I’ve also been critical of AR and our union overlords. I expect management to treat me like dirt. No one here has ever said management was good, etc so why engage in an echo chamber. We all know the animosity they have for us bus drivers. We are fungible and they are indifferent. Might as well be widgets.

The union on the hand, I pay them (the most in the industry btw) and they work for us but instead they’re no different than your typical corrupt politician or union boss who’s getting wealthy off the backs of other people’s labor. If that makes me a management tool then so be it.

1224/2118, is all the same to me, still paying too dollar for subpar representation. I was optimistic when we formed our local but it’s the same result, just different people with their hand the cookie jar.

Am I gonna leave? Not until the union overlords start putting out their apps, then I’ll know this place is surely going down. They’ve got the most info, if it was really as bad as they say and the opportunities really that great then they’d bail as well.

You think AR and his minions are sticking around because they’re altruistic hahahaha??
There’s so much truth about our worthless union leadership and structure here that it hurts. We pay way too much to have to tolerate a leader with a Napoleon complex, those that blindly worship and follow are damn fools! We deserve someone with real leadership ability that can speak respectfully and honestly to us. **SPOILER ALERT** our union leadership is the main reason why a lot of guys are leaving. I don’t blame them either, we get dumped on and disrespected by the company then our ‘protectors and defenders’ lack the sophistication and skill to manage the situation and answer back effectively.
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