KC135

Definitely not true. People are leaving because you can upgrade in a year or less at legacy and make 4 times the pay vs here and people FINALLY realize it will be years before the company offers industry standard passes. Sure you can critique the union but it's a moot point, we will get a contract when the company wants to pay standard or is forced to. Hint, it will be the latter.

tom11011

What is your argument against them?

Margaritaville

Nice first post. Obviously a regular here creating another troll account. Is this place no longer moderated?

I agree with your comments about AR and he obviously has a Napoleon complex. Everyone who isn't him or one of his Cappos knows that. He thinks he's a mafia boss and he runs it like a syndicate. He has a symbiotic relationship with management. He and his personal wealth feed on anger and dissent, and he has a huge financial motivation to drag everything out as long as possible and keep the grievance machine running.

But that's not why people are leaving. As KC135 said, people are leaving because the dam finally broke in legacy hiring and anyone who wants to grab the brass ring can. At some point, you do the math and realize that turning down a million bucks or more for "being home every night" is an incredibly stupid proposition. Delta has 767 captains with less than a year at the company. United can put in for upgrade and get it at a year and a day. AA is still about 3 years for 320/737 and dropping, but you'll move up in seniority a lot faster to make up for it. The difference between a legacy CA and a G4 CA in pay, benefits, and retirement are astounding. Literally $100,000 a year. If you have even 10 years left, thats a million bucks.

Would you really pay a million dollars to be home every night?

G4er

Yep, more to life then money. Are you going to get buried with some of yours?
Whatever it is, you have it figured out. You are without question the smartest pilot here at Allegiant. All of us who actually value time with family are “suckers”.

Margaritaville

So it's worth a million dollars to you?

Also, spoiler alert, legacy pilots aren't spending 20 nights a month in hotels. At all 3 legacies, even a junior reserve gets 15 days off a month because they actually have scheduling rules. Line holders can do even better.

Allegiant's 11/10 days off a month is pathetic and what good is "home every night in your own bed" when all you do is sleep 7 hours then get up and do another 4 legger the next day? Or get TDY'd for months at a time to sit reserve somewhere else? You ain't seeing the family.

G4er

Shows how little you know. I am home 99 percent of the time the kids get off the school bus. Make all their games etc. Like I said, to some of us money isn’t everything. I don’t need a Tesla etc. Some do. And some spend all their time on the internet hating life….

Vegaspilot

I tend to agree with G4er. I left after 10+ years thinking I could deal with the trips. I’d get used to it and the benefits of finally making it to a legacy would be the incentive to get me there. I’m probably in the minority, but I couldn’t do it. 3-4 four day trips a month just wasn’t tenable to me. I left and am pursuing other opportunities where I can be home every night and not in hotels. I’d still love to be able to fly, but I just don’t know there’s a place out there I fit in. I’m not commuting and I left the only legacy with a base where I live. But to me, not dragging a bag packed for 4 days and spending half the month on the road is worth more than the benefits the legacies offered. Some days I wish I’d stayed at G4, but everything happens for a reason.

Vegaspilot

I tend to agree with G4er. I left after 10+ years thinking I could deal with the trips. I’d get used to it and the benefits of finally making it to a legacy would be the incentive to get me there. I’m probably in the minority, but I couldn’t do it. 3-4 four day trips a month just wasn’t tenable to me (and the legacy I was at was just as bad as G4 for schedule flexibility…even as a line holder). I left and am pursuing other opportunities where I can be home every night and not in hotels. I’d still love to be able to fly, but I just don’t know there’s a place out there I fit in. I’m not commuting and I left the only legacy with a base where I live. But to me, not dragging a bag packed for 4 days and spending half the month on the road is worth more than the benefits the legacies offered. Some days I wish I’d stayed at G4, but everything happens for a reason.

j3cub

Yes.

I may do my 4 legger and go do another the next day, but 90% of the time I'm taking my kid to school and having dinner with them or helping with homework in the evenings. I wouldnt trade less time with my kid in his formidable years for a million bucks.

Might work for some, but not me.

tom11011

Have you thought about flight instructing?