Sounds a lot like “Give me the money f*#<k the junior guys” but I’m sure they don’t mean it that way…🙄

They are going to be very frustrated and disappointed. We will not have a contract this year or next. Two to three years. And that’s the rosy picture. That’s me serving the Kool-Aid. Enjoy.

I have consistently said it will be minimum 3 more years and probably 4-5 years. I don’t believe for a second that we will see a raise until 2025 at the earliest. I believe 310 and others on here are spreading conspiracy theories that a deal will get done by Christmas because AR said so…

I am frustrated with arbitration losses because I pay the highest dues in the industry and am not seeing results. AR loves to talk about arbitrations, he spends more time on arbitrations than things that actually matter like AQP. Had a chance to catch up with two instructors who were very frustrated with how the union is handling AQP. We got good leadership here in training and he’s being railroaded by inexperienced union reps who don’t know how to get a deal done. That’s just an example.

The big picture is we ain’t getting a contract until 2026, not being pessimisst, just being realistic. I think we all need to buckle up for a bumpy road and pray that we don’t become atlas 2.0… see how there industry leading contract is working out for them.

Pot meet kettle.

You are the conspiracy theorist saying a contract will get done by Christmas not me. That’s some Qanan level conspiracy right there. Let me guess, flat-earther?

False arguments
 

I love how the pessimists here argue that:

Maury won’t give us good work rules, and if he did, he wouldn’t follow them.
But in the same breath he will give us ground breaking pay rates! Huge pay numbers that rival United or Delta.

You can’t have both.

And for all the smack we talk about the arbitration’s we lose, over the course of this contract we have received soft pay from arbitrations&GSAs. I have multiple 1 leg, overnight and return VFNs that are 16PCH for a simply 35 min flight. Because RONs are 4 minimum. We get conflict for VFNs that touch another day - so I’ve had many Redeyes that PPSK the next day.

Instructor pay arbitration, reserve having a value arbitration, and more. Yea we don’t win them all, sure. But how do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.

I think the bold text is the plan either way. All signs point to a roll back to the 2010s with a much smaller company that has todays profit margins. Allegiant management seems ready to admit that the small base expansion is a bust and that the company has become too big to retain its traditional character. "Just another ____ing airline". Oh and more resorts.

Actually, AR almost got terminated because he stupidly put out a video telling pilots not to pick up open time.

You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

Are you kidding me? Tell that to the guys who got taken hostage (furloughed). Oh wait you can't because most of them left the company ASAP and the company is having a hard time replacing them.

I don't think AR is the devil and I know MG is the devil. I just call balls and strikes like I see 'em.

Many who have done union work much longer than Andrew have told him that the grievance/arbitration machine is a trap. It's an early chapter in the universal union busting playbook written by FH in the early 2000s. Constantly make petty contract violations and trap the union in an endless cycle fighting grievances and arbitrations until they run out of money. But he thinks he's smarter than everyone and can reinvent the wheel. While that's happening the union's attention is distracted from the real big picture issues. it's an amateur game and they've been falling for it throughout their reign.

Meanwhile as you said, no contract, no PBS, no AQP. Just endless grievances and arbitrations that they aren't even winning lately. All big talk, no results for the highest dues in the industry.

Actually, that’s not a fact either. That’s your opinion. AR didn’t say that in the video. AR said he wasn’t going to pick up open time. If the inference was strong enough to hold up in court, management would have sued the union.

What happened was the company sent the union a letter prior to suing in court and AR and the union completely backtracked and ENCOURAGED pilots to pickup OT and vfn’s while pilots were on furlough. It was an amateur mistake by AR to even mention “what he would do regarding OT and vfn’s while pilots were on furlough.

RON pay is contractual 3D4, company should have been paying this whole time. VFN removals we lost that arbitration - 3G is only when directed by company and award said vfn’s are voluntary so no removal pay.

Reserve having a value? That one is still tbd but rumors I hear are that union think it’s a loser. All of these are losers so not sure what look aid your drinking. The crème arb was the premium pay for reserves that was bang up job and has resulted in major pay for reserve pilots. Instructor was a win too. But again, ignoring the big stuff that affects the masses is justifiable when you’re winning all the time. When you’re on a 2.5 year losing streak it becomes more frustrating.

It’s an embarrassment that the union can’t find its own a$$ to get AQP done. It is a huge benefit to management and the pilot group. Ed Faith has done AQP at Alaska and ups. I’m gonna trust him when he tells us that he is working diligently to get AQP done. When I ask the union all I hear is something about “no jeopardy events can be in AQP” as if the FAA would sign off on that during the group testing phase and while we implement it.

I am concerned that AR and stewards are not saying the forest through trees and focusing on stuff that’s important to the union but not as important to the pilot group as whole.