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JediCheese 11-29-2022 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by TangoIndiaMike1 (Post 3539724)
Can’t strike till the government says you can. Do you know any basics about the railway labor act?

Seems Biden Admin won't let the Railroads strike and supports Congressional action. Good luck with us trying to strike.

Spdbrd 11-29-2022 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by Vettekid (Post 3539567)
Maybe I missed it, has there been any talk of a strike? Still trying to figure out how all this works, and I don't have access to the current contract so I'm a bit out of my depth. Just trying to stay informed as I'm sitting on A CJO.

You might find this useful:
https://www.alpa.org/ala/fone

We are currently at the “direct negotiations” stage. The Union has indicated that if no further progress is made, mediation will be requested by the end of the year or early in 2023. But even that is a moving target dependent on what sections are drafted, passed, and agreed upon over the coming weeks/months. Mediation could take years, as already indicated by other comments.

I have faith in our union leadership, but they have to work with in the confines of the RLA and obey the rules, especially if they’re to have any success with the NMB. They also (like, I think, every pilot on property) want to see Allegiant thrive, and simply telling everyone to quit is not productive (and is also illegal). All this could culminate in a strike, but a lot has to happen before that. We’re all impatient to see progress, but until the company starts engaging seriously or the NMB intervenes, we have a choice to stick it out, or move on.

I really want this place to succeed, and have been generally optimistic. Sadly the last few weeks have made me wonder if we’ll even be able to function a year from now without a dramatic shift in attitude from the company.

G4slumdod 11-29-2022 10:37 PM

Think it says everyone can quit or stick individually if they are fed up but can't aiggest anyone else do the same

Vettekid 11-30-2022 03:47 AM


Originally Posted by TangoIndiaMike1 (Post 3539724)
Y’all should picket your Christmas parties yall just got back. Can’t strike till the government says you can. Do you know any basics about the railway labor act?

Not really. I'm starting to figure it out, but nothing beyond the basics. Of life to find some detail on the airline specifics. I'm fresh out of the air force (so in actually), so this is all new to me. Trying to learn as much as possible.

UgotHired1st 11-30-2022 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 3539423)
But your going to stay right?

Nope, after 7 years I've decided to leave. It's obvious that this isn't a place to stay unless your a mid-level CA. It would have been nice if the Union leadership had been honest about the contract. Why put out joint statements with the company? All they did was so things down for themselves and prevent the "fence sitters " from leaving sooner and getting a number somewhere better.

xiovelrahc 11-30-2022 06:14 AM

Leave now or forever hold your peace
 
No contract till 2027

Margaritaville 11-30-2022 06:28 AM

Ah, yes, the good 'ol "if you don't like it here you can leave" thing. Because heaven forbid someone might demand change to make the place better. But dissent will not be tolerated. Yet another hallmark of a king, and coming from one of the king's knights.

To be fair, some of us can leave, and many have left, but not you. You're still here. You're not going anywhere. Ask yourself why. The dress down scene at the beginning of Maverick springs to mind. "You've been in this industry for over 25 years, yet you're still at the lowest paid and worst treated bottom feeder ULCC in the country. Why?"

Margaritaville 11-30-2022 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by UgotHired1st (Post 3539832)
Nope, after 7 years I've decided to leave. It's obvious that this isn't a place to stay unless your a mid-level CA. It would have been nice if the Union leadership had been honest about the contract. Why put out joint statements with the company? All they did was so things down for themselves and prevent the "fence sitters " from leaving sooner and getting a number somewhere better.

All that BS that the management shills and IBT sycophants spread a couple months ago was just to string people long enough to get the company through the holidays, and it worked. Now expect another "contract right around the corner, great progress being made!" frenzy in Jan/Feb to get them through "March Madness". Then another one around April/May for the summer. Wash, rinse repeat.

tailendcharlie 11-30-2022 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by UgotHired1st (Post 3539832)
Nope, after 7 years I've decided to leave. It's obvious that this isn't a place to stay unless your a mid-level CA. It would have been nice if the Union leadership had been honest about the contract. Why put out joint statements with the company? All they did was so things down for themselves and prevent the "fence sitters " from leaving sooner and getting a number somewhere better.

Honestly wherever you go once you get past first year pay you’ll be well on your way to more money & I think you’ll wonder why you waited this long…..good luck!

Be Realistic 11-30-2022 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3539467)
What we have now is a 1st contract on the property. Of course it's not perfect Other "mainline" airlines have contracts that are 50+ years old that have gone through dozens of negotiating cycles. Andrew and Co. sold everyone on this narrative that the "previous administration" f'd everyone to turn the pilots against them and get what he wanted with his own kingdom... er Local, because they were the bosses in 1224 holding his reigns and purse strings and he didn't like that. But they really did the best they could at the time against Maury with the resources they had (a lot less than now). And let's face it, this negotiation is about to drag on a lot longer than that one did considering we aren't even in mediation yet. Yet nobody seems pi$sed at him for that and you still hear people taking the names of the "previous administration" key players in vain. Funny how the victors get to tell history.

Please..... 'its our first contract' is nauseating. Its a pathetic contract that should never have been voted in but was voted in by the same ass hats who cry when someone picks up a trip out of open time in place of letting it go to the senior guy as a VFN. Freaking cry babies! Many senior babies here put us in the current situation. I've said it before and I'll say it again. They need to be quiet and let the adults talk.

But AR is out of his depth with some real rookie mistakes. Signing the July 4th MOA last year for premium pay for the few, signing a LOA to work hard with the company to get a new contract and then publishing it. Any time he helps the company get trips picked up or retain pilots he's working against himself and against the pilot group. If its intentional to drag out the assessment, then that's one thing. But I prefer to think he's just making mistakes. I hope I'm right.


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