Originally Posted by flydiamond (Post 3527924)

Above 81 pch pays it correctly only after it was arbitrated in the union’s favor fairly early on. They tried to exclude non flying PCH (think training as just one example). Better arbitration language for arbitration and grievances (in addition to more thorough and thoughtful contract language) is key to contract compliance, and AR has said we secured great language for that in the TA’d sections. Anyone who simply wants to throw their hands up in the air and say the company will always abuse us needs to stay better informed as to what the union has been working on.

Originally Posted by flydiamond (Post 3527924)

Above 81 pch pays it correctly only after it was arbitrated in the union’s favor fairly early on. They tried to exclude non flying PCH (think training as just one example). Better arbitration language for arbitration and grievances (in addition to more thorough and thoughtful contract language) is key to contract compliance, and AR has said we secured great language for that in the TA’d sections. Anyone who simply wants to throw their hands up in the air and say the company will always abuse us needs to stay better informed as to what the union has been working on.

Originally Posted by 9easy (Post 3528271)

The rhetoric that the company never follows the contract is only a half truth. The other half of the story is our current contract was written in a haphazard, negligent way that allows for all sorts of ambiguity and interpretation. The company simply tries to pay the least, the union wants to get the most. The truth is often up for interpretation, and in that case it usually favors the company. Strong contract language is why legacy airlines can pass a TA fairly quickly, the language is well written.. it's basically just a pay rate issue for places like UAL.

Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 3529195)

Management putting out a union-busting pilot survey instead of putting finishing touches on industry-leading T-A continues to tell me we’re nowhere near a deal. Maybe 2024 if we’re lucky. A lot can change in 2 years.

Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3528728)

THIS...

As an ULCC pilot i can attest that you all are the boogeyman for our management. The only reason our founder and chairman of the BOD is negotiating directly with our MEC is because pilots are leaving for the big 4 in droves. And yes you read that correctly, our largest shareholder and chairman of the BOD is flying his private jet to meet with our Union chairman (ALPA's version of an MEC).

Originally Posted by SloNLow (Post 3533012)

The latest Union email asking for basic input to multiple questions left me wondering. Aren’t these the questions that are asked well in advance of any new contract?
…as in prior to any negotiations.

Originally Posted by SloNLow (Post 3533012)

The latest Union email asking for basic input to multiple questions left me wondering. Aren’t these the questions that are asked well in advance of any new contract?
…as in prior to any negotiations.

Originally Posted by SloNLow (Post 3533012)

The latest Union email asking for basic input to multiple questions left me wondering. Aren’t these the questions that are asked well in advance of any new contract?
…as in prior to any negotiations.

Originally Posted by rdneckpilot (Post 3526726)

Make sure you know the relative seniority of the people you are talking to at Allegiant and have realistic expectations regarding how long it will take you to get the same. Which base also matters a lot. There was a dude in my new hire class just like you. Military retirement, family, Florida resident and valued quality of life over money. Got his Sanford base within the first year. Then reality set in for being junior in Sanford. It was not home every night with lots of time for kids.

he’s at delta now.

I liked allegiant as well but when I started doing the math on seniority progression and realistic schedule expectations the decision to leave for an offer at AA was very easy.

There are a few from my class that have stayed because it’s working out for them. ~20% of the class is still on property.

Nothing I said means allegiant is inherently bad. In fact when I was at allegiant it was the best job to that point in my career but AA has been much better for me.

Good luck and I wish you well. Hopefully whatever you decide works out.

Originally Posted by Machaca (Post 3533891)

Actually, the survey situation is excellent, particularly since they sent out the exact same survey to mimic the company one, so will be able to whip it out when the company idiots try to filter what came in.