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JediCheese 11-18-2022 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by TangoIndiaMike1 (Post 3533108)
Was that before or after regionals started to pay more then Allegiant? It sounds like with frontiers 35k bonus Allegiant’s not the only one having trouble getting people Into class. Might as well take advantage of it and ask for more when they can.


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Ran into an FO that said he was going back to Republic. I can see pilots choosing a legacy over G4, but REPUBLIC?

We're losing Captains to legacies. Captains should here should have golden handcuffs. FOs can leave to a legacy but you should never lose CAs to that.

rdneckpilot 11-18-2022 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by JediCheese (Post 3534000)
Ran into an FO that said he was going back to Republic. I can see pilots choosing a legacy over G4, but REPUBLIC?

We're losing Captains to legacies. Captains should here should have golden handcuffs. FOs can leave to a legacy but you should never lose CAs to that.

you think captain s should not be leaving. MG doesn’t agree. Historically there has always been a little bit of captain attrition. Not to much just some. That’s the sweet spot where MG knows he’s not paying to much for the as shole flying the airplane.

UgotHired1st 11-29-2022 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by JediCheese (Post 3534000)
Ran into an FO that said he was going back to Republic. I can see pilots choosing a legacy over G4, but REPUBLIC?

We're losing Captains to legacies. Captains should here should have golden handcuffs. FOs can leave to a legacy but you should never lose CAs to that.

I wonder when the Union is going to actually be a bit more aggressive and start telling people to leave? We should be hosting hiring events with Cage Marshall or Emerald Coast and helping people leave. When we cannot replace the pilots who leave is when we will get a contract. Why the Union cannot just come out and say this is anyone's guess. Maybe they like endless negotiating?

N1sync 11-29-2022 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by UgotHired1st (Post 3539377)
I wonder when the Union is going to actually be a bit more aggressive and start telling people to leave? We should be hosting hiring events with Cage Marshall or Emerald Coast and helping people leave. When we cannot replace the pilots who leave is when we will get a contract. Why the Union cannot just come out and say this is anyone's guess. Maybe they like endless negotiating?


amen… they are out of their league on all levels. I hate to say it because I want a true industry leading contract but we clearly don’t have the team that’s going to get that done when they keep falling for MG’s chicanery and don’t utilize the assessment dollars to their fullest potential. We should be cranking up the heat as high as it goes and leave it there until they break.

Losamigos 11-29-2022 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by N1sync (Post 3539412)
amen… they are out of their league on all levels. I hate to say it because I want a true industry leading contract but we clearly don’t have the team that’s going to get that done when they keep falling for MG’s chicanery and don’t utilize the assessment dollars to their fullest potential. We should be cranking up the heat as high as it goes and leave it there until they break.

But hey at least we have our own local now!

tom11011 11-29-2022 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by UgotHired1st (Post 3539377)
I wonder when the Union is going to actually be a bit more aggressive and start telling people to leave? We should be hosting hiring events with Cage Marshall or Emerald Coast and helping people leave. When we cannot replace the pilots who leave is when we will get a contract. Why the Union cannot just come out and say this is anyone's guess. Maybe they like endless negotiating?

But your going to stay right?

tailendcharlie 11-29-2022 12:14 PM

If we truly are at a stalemate and enter federal mediation, I don't think the union's going to need to lend a hand; the attrition will accelerate just fine on it's own. You've got all the recent hires who already have one foot out the door, the FO fence-sitters, all the young-ish captains. Then you'll see a situation where we have way too many CA's not enough FO's and unable fly the schedule anymore and unable to hire anywhere near enough......pretty clear where this could be headed without some good news real soon.

G4slumdod 11-29-2022 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 3539423)
But your going to stay right?

In his defense I think he is trying to leave as should anyone under 40 not in the top half of the seniority list. The math is easy

Margaritaville 11-29-2022 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by UgotHired1st (Post 3539377)
I wonder when the Union is going to actually be a bit more aggressive and start telling people to leave? We should be hosting hiring events with Cage Marshall or Emerald Coast and helping people leave. When we cannot replace the pilots who leave is when we will get a contract. Why the Union cannot just come out and say this is anyone's guess. Maybe they like endless negotiating?

Of course they do. Contract negotiation time is the ultimate union jobs creation program, plus the assessment slush fund continues until a contract is signed. The union has massive incentive to drag things out while going to the pilot group with "aw shucks, the company just won't play ball".


Originally Posted by N1sync (Post 3539412)
amen… they are out of their league on all levels. I hate to say it because I want a true industry leading contract but we clearly don’t have the team that’s going to get that done when they keep falling for MG’s chicanery and don’t utilize the assessment dollars to their fullest potential. We should be cranking up the heat as high as it goes and leave it there until they break.

I can't believe we actually agree on something. Andrew is a nice guy and he means well but he and his Vegas labor attorney who has never negotiated an RLA contract are massively unqualified and outgunned by Maury's team of veteran union busting attorneys. I don't know how that hasn't become painfully obvious to everyone. If Andrew truly cared about the pilot group as much as he claims he does, he'd admit he's in over his head and either step aside or expand his team. Maybe even apologize and bring back some of the experienced former union folks he drove out. But instead he keeps total control like some mafia don because money and power corrupt.


Originally Posted by Losamigos (Post 3539422)
But hey at least we have our own local now!

Yeah and the reason he did that then was to get rid of all oversight so that he can do what he is doing now. He coronated himself a king and will have this job as long as he wants it because nobody has the balls to speak out and get shouted down by his goons. Andrew is literally getting rich in this job just like all the crooked politicians in Washington who go in middle class and retire as millionaires decades later. But hey those LED lights in the house reno we paid for are pretty b1tchin.

tom11011 11-29-2022 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3539450)
Maybe even apologize and bring back some of the experienced former union folks he drove out.

Like who? Aren't they the reason we have what we have now?


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