Let's dissect your analysis for fun. If the bonus is between the company and pilots irrespective of representation as you say, does that mean SC pilots become Allegiant pilots immediately upon deal closing? And if they are, do they start accumulating a retention bonus as well at their higher pay rate?

Further, if the union had vetted a change of representation with an attorney regarding payout of the bonus, we need to see that analysis in writing, otherwise words can't be trusted. And why would they?!?! Teamsters obviously wants us to stay Teamsters. And we have learned a lot about the lengths this company will go to over the last decade in order to put a shoe on our neck.

Further, if a change in representation happens through no fault of the Allegiant pilot group, I would say the bonus could be safe, however if we chose on our own accord to change representation prior to ratifying a new agreement, then we are no longer "Allegiant Pilots as represented by Teamsters"; there may be risk. This company does not care at all about the spirit of the agreement, we all know and live this.

Buyer beware. And I hope we do go ALPA after bonus is paid out.

 

The teamsters loves pilots like you. Happy to march along spewing a blatant misunderstanding of the RLA.

When we left 1224, why didn’t our CBA become invalid?

IBT is the bargaining REPRESENTATIVE. They represent the pilot group. This argument is no different than retaining a lawyer for a lawsuit, then firing and retaining a new attorney the day your settlement is awarded. You don’t lose the award because you switch representatives.

We could go ALPA tomorrow and the bonus remains.

 

Does a stupid “bridge agreement “ count as a new contract between the company & IBT? This could get ugly fast regarding the RB.

 

Yes............

 

The union needs to address this to everyone pronto

 

Just read the MOU.....it simply requires an amended CBA....the bridge agreement would clearly qualify as such.

 

Why should anyone listen to you? You won't acknowledge that there could be some risk? Let me ask you this, when the deal closes this summer will SC pilots start getting the retention bonus too if we have no amended CBA at that time?

 

There’s always risk brother. I’m sure the company lawyers have looked into if they can find a loophole out of the RB. But they must also consider what the potential risk of doing that would be to the company. Imagine the lawsuits from all the pilots who would argue they had lost millions in earnings and retirement not going to a legacy? There is just so much damning them, the RLA case law, the IOU emails each month dangling the carrot, the countless statements made by GA saying it’ll be paid, the disclosures to the shareholders (thats another can of worms for them), even the statements made to the SY guys that it would be paid regardless of representation.
Bronco is right the agreement stays with the pilots regardless of representation. It is in principle an agreement between the Allegiant pilots and Allegiant Air.
As to your question about the SY guys I haven’t thought about it too much but I would say no. Not because the agreement was between IBT and Allegiant but because in Provision 1. It stipulates it pertains to “current” pilots as of the signing of the agreement and pilots “hired” after the effective date. The SY guys would probably not be considered hired so much as acquired or transferred. That’s just MHO

 

If the company and union really want a bridge agreement to pass it has to include payout of the retention bonus immediately. No retention bonus payout 90+% NO vote, retention bonus payout 80+% YES vote. It's that simple, they'd be wasting their time with no payout. The company might want to waste time though and be playing us.

 

Wait! The Toonster goons said anything less than Delta +10 was a concession and that taking less made you a scab! Plus, more surveys!!!! Only company plants don't want a new survey every two weeks! Facts! In fact remove the entire NC and Exco because surveys were promised. They PROMISED guys!