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captnate702 06-30-2022 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by 9easy (Post 3451574)
It's a tough call. We all know a straight up 40% pay raise, 16% DC, 100% DH, age 65 LTD, and 5 hour min day pay, and it would get signed off by the pilots by a good %. Deal could be made in 15 minutes.

The union is laser focused on work rules, which is a very uphill task, high risk game. Hopefully we get both.

That contract would get approved by the pilot group. Look at the increases UA's pilots are going to approve, the looming recession is real and all of us on here have been moaning about inflation and the raises we are owed.

FreshWater 06-30-2022 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3451898)
That contract would get approved by the pilot group. Look at the increases UA's pilots are going to approve, the looming recession is real and all of us on here have been moaning about inflation and the raises we are owed.

Good thing you won’t be given that opportunity. You weren’t able to vote on that Sweet pay raise pay raise for July & August.

captnate702 06-30-2022 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by FreshWater (Post 3451939)
Good thing you won’t be given that opportunity. You weren’t able to vote on that Sweet pay raise pay raise for July & August.

Nope I wasn't, but i'll get a pay raise in four years like the rest of us. those work rules better be worth it...

JediCheese 06-30-2022 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3452001)
Nope I wasn't, but i'll get a pay raise in four years like the rest of us. those work rules better be worth it...

Some of us will get pay raises quicker when they leave for a legacy.

FreshWater 06-30-2022 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3452001)
those work rules better be worth it...

Depends on one’s values. Living life on your knees or your feet.


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3452001)
Nope I wasn't, but i'll get a pay raise in four years like the rest of us.

That’s a good estimate.

tailendcharlie 06-30-2022 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3451898)
That contract would get approved by the pilot group. Look at the increases UA's pilots are going to approve, the looming recession is real and all of us on here have been moaning about inflation and the raises we are owed.


You realize the UA T/A “raises” are illusory & the whole thing is getting voted down, right? 5% of the 14% “raise” was already guaranteed anyway for a deal that spanned 5 years’ total so 9% raise in 5 years? Doesn’t even begin to keep up with inflation. It’s shameful. Narrowbody top-of-scale CA rates need to flirt with the upper 300’s or we’re all going backwards; that includes Allegiant.

captnate702 06-30-2022 10:34 PM


Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 3452218)
You realize the UA T/A “raises” are illusory & the whole thing is getting voted down, right? 5% of the 14% “raise” was already guaranteed anyway for a deal that spanned 5 years’ total so 9% raise in 5 years? Doesn’t even begin to keep up with inflation. It’s shameful. Narrowbody top-of-scale CA rates need to flirt with the upper 300’s or we’re all going backwards; that includes Allegiant.

That’s my point. The UA TA is not the pot of gold the pilots thought it would be and yet it will still get approved. American’s leaked raises will probably go to vote now as well.

JediCheese 07-01-2022 03:12 AM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3452450)
That’s my point. The UA TA is not the pot of gold the pilots thought it would be and yet it will still get approved. American’s leaked raises will probably go to vote now as well.

Sound like the UA TA is toast. They may be trying to play it off as dead and then sneak it through.

If I was a LEC there, I'd be worried about my job. I think there are going to be a bunch of recall votes.

Margaritaville 07-01-2022 04:02 AM


Originally Posted by JediCheese (Post 3452002)
Some of us will get pay raises quicker when they leave for a legacy.

Bingo. Anyone who's still here is in the top 30% or lazy as crap. I predict those who aren't in the top 30% and stay will regret their decision next year.


Originally Posted by JediCheese (Post 3452478)
Sound like the UA TA is toast. They may be trying to play it off as dead and then sneak it through.

If I was a LEC there, I'd be worried about my job. I think there are going to be a bunch of recall votes.

Nate's drunk on kool aid. There's no way that thing is getting approved. Even the MEC chairman walked it back yesterday because the AA/APA proposal that isn't even a TA blew it out of the water. It's hard to pull a TA before the vote and tell the NMB you're bargaining in good faith but UALPA has no choice now but to tell the pilots to vote it down and go back for more. At this point the MEC professional politicians are just trying to save their cushy jobs and their seat at the drinking games at the ALPA BOD this fall.

Be Realistic 07-01-2022 04:47 AM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3451898)
That contract would get approved by the pilot group. Look at the increases UA's pilots are going to approve, the looming recession is real and all of us on here have been moaning about inflation and the raises we are owed.

This is the reason why the ECO will not release the deal to a vote until they have met all our requirements. Sell-outs shmucks would vote yes, and a good thing they wont be given the opportunity to do so!

And UA pilots are/were never going to approve their crappy deal. Point in case is why the MEC has stopped all road shows - he knows he cant sell it any more. Only senior Allegiant pilots are that dumb to vote in the turd we have. All these 'take the cash now' fools need to sit down and be quiet and let the adults in the room get this done.


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