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Clearedforils 12-05-2022 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3544069)
The people posting here that home every night is not a benefit is curious at the least. Why would anyone be here if not for the home every night model? Why are KC, Marg, 310, V2, tailend, etc why are y’all still here?

Actions speak louder than words. y’all haven’t left and my guess it’s because y’all really value the home every night benefit. If you don’t value it then I truly have no idea why you would possibly stay. Why else would anyone stay?

Please feel free to chime in because the only thing keeping me here is home every night and I have to assume that y’all are in the same boat.

If you live in base, this place, even with all the warts and vindictive management is the best airline for people who truly value the out and back model and being home 99% of the nights.

Yupp, being home each night is big reason for me! As I'm sure, it's true of most people that entertain the idea of coming or come here..in this job market.

Be Realistic 12-06-2022 05:16 AM

Those tools that say 'leave if you don't like this place' have no idea why someone might still be here, have no idea why they came here or anything in between. If your happy, be happy and be quiet.

If its so great why do we have such an attrition problem at the bottom of the seniority list right now? I think you will find they are leaving fast. Not staying, leaving. Is it because maybe QOL is terrible for the junior guys and they experience the suck and say now way I'm out? You senior guys who have the QOL, do so at the expense of the junior guys. And you are threatened because if enough junior guys leave, your base may close or you may get downgraded, or worse - you may end up on reserve in a base you don't want. So for those still listening and thinking of coming here, those posting rainbows and unicorns here need you to do the **** work so that they can have their easy life at your expense. Any rocking of the boat threatens them,

I wish I had never set foot in this place but I am very much stuck due to circumstances beyond my control right now. And no I am not going to elaborate. So to you ass hats telling me to leave, I say NO.

I will fight from the inside to improve this place or at the very least prevent anybody making the same mistake that I made in coming here.

captnate702 12-06-2022 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by Be Realistic (Post 3544931)
Those tools that say 'leave if you don't like this place' have no idea why someone might still be here, have no idea why they came here or anything in between. If your happy, be happy and be quiet.

If its so great why do we have such an attrition problem at the bottom of the seniority list right now? I think you will find they are leaving fast. Not staying, leaving. Is it because maybe QOL is terrible for the junior guys and they experience the suck and say now way I'm out? You senior guys who have the QOL, do so at the expense of the junior guys. And you are threatened because if enough junior guys leave, your base may close or you may get downgraded, or worse - you may end up on reserve in a base you don't want. So for those still listening and thinking of coming here, those posting rainbows and unicorns here need you to do the **** work so that they can have their easy life at your expense. Any rocking of the boat threatens them,

I wish I had never set foot in this place but I am very much stuck due to circumstances beyond my control right now. And no I am not going to elaborate. So to you ass hats telling me to leave, I say NO.

I will fight from the inside to improve this place or at the very least prevent anybody making the same mistake that I made in coming here.

Need therapy much? So if someone is happy with this place they have to just shut up and not make a peep?

Actions speak loud than words…if it was as bad as you say it is then you’d leave too.

Be realistic and look at what you are saying: I can’t leave, I’m forced to be here, I have no control over my career.

This place has plenty of warts and our contract is an embarrassment to the industry. Management is vindictive. But being home every night 99% of the time is a major QOL for some of us and the only reason I can fathom somebody would stay here or come here vs legacy hiring.

tailendcharlie 12-06-2022 06:33 AM

I take no issue with anyone deciding to be a Allegiant lifer or prioritizing QOL over money. Just understand that we will negotiate the best industry-standard contract possible, period. The company decides where and how to operate the airplanes. If day trips are here to stay, that’s not part of our benefits package. Management and their apologists on here will try to tell you otherwise.

captnate702 12-06-2022 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 3544993)
I take no issue with anyone deciding to be a Allegiant lifer or prioritizing QOL over money. Just understand that we will negotiate the best industry-standard contract possible, period. The company decides where and how to operate the airplanes. If day trips are here to stay, that’s not part of our benefits package. Management and their apologists on here will try to tell you otherwise.

This is something we can all agree on.

Margaritaville 12-06-2022 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by j3cub (Post 3544669)
Haha, but still no one wants to answer the question why they stay. "None of your business". Is it that much of a secret?

Ill go first: I stay because I value my family time more than Delta/AA/United money. The day I have to spend 2-4 nights a week away dragging a bag through a hotel again will be awful. Been there done that. Thats just me. Everyones situation is different and obviously QOL mileage here WILL vary.

Will this place implode and I will be forced to go work at a Legacy? Maybe. Maybe I will give up flying altogether at that point. I want an industry leading CBA here as well, but Im not an "idiot" for passing up the biggest hiring wave blah blah blah.



Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3544990)
Need therapy much? So if someone is happy with this place they have to just shut up and not make a peep?

Actions speak loud than words…if it was as bad as you say it is then you’d leave too.

Be realistic and look at what you are saying: I can’t leave, I’m forced to be here, I have no control over my career.

This place has plenty of warts and our contract is an embarrassment to the industry. Management is vindictive. But being home every night 99% of the time is a major QOL for some of us and the only reason I can fathom somebody would stay here or come here vs legacy hiring.

Still a stunning lack of SA here, lol.


Originally Posted by Be Realistic (Post 3544931)
Those tools that say 'leave if you don't like this place' have no idea why someone might still be here, have no idea why they came here or anything in between. If your happy, be happy and be quiet.

If its so great why do we have such an attrition problem at the bottom of the seniority list right now? I think you will find they are leaving fast. Not staying, leaving. Is it because maybe QOL is terrible for the junior guys and they experience the suck and say now way I'm out? You senior guys who have the QOL, do so at the expense of the junior guys. And you are threatened because if enough junior guys leave, your base may close or you may get downgraded, or worse - you may end up on reserve in a base you don't want. So for those still listening and thinking of coming here, those posting rainbows and unicorns here need you to do the **** work so that they can have their easy life at your expense. Any rocking of the boat threatens them,

Correct. Major vested interest in the top echelon ensuring that the slaves belowdecks keep rowing.

captnate702 12-06-2022 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3545095)
Still a stunning lack of SA here, lol.



Correct. Major vested interest in the top echelon ensuring that the slaves belowdecks keep rowing.

Who exactly are "the slaves belowdecks"? Are they the reserve pilots that have consistently had the lowest reserve utilization in the industry? Are they the junior line holders that get stuck working every Friday/Sunday of the month?

Are there some reserve pilots that get jerked around? absolutely, I have repeated it to everyone who asks that sitting in reserve in FL would be terrible at least four months out of the year...TERRIBLE.

Sitting reserve in a small base is incredibly cush. You get called out a couple times a week. Some small bases (BLI) the reserves don't even fly enough to get their landings.

If you want to liken sitting reserve in FL to being a "slave belowdeck who must keep rowing" then whatever. I think it might be a little out of touch, but I don't judge. Siting reserve in LAS or IWA can be a pain, but i still pick up RAPs to pad my pay and roll the dice because its still not that bad and in most cases its free money.

And for new hires, who are most certainly going to a small base, sitting reserve is generally pretty nice. If you're trying to get to FL, I'd forget about it because your QOL will be way different than most of the pilots across the system. Just my two cents.

bdflying 12-08-2022 04:11 AM


Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 3543242)
Probably the better way to phrase it is legacy pilots, at least narrowbody domestic types, spend more time sitting around. I would argue since they work for mature companies with robust infrastructure, decades of experience running a real airline, & work under a proper CBA, they work less hard than the Allegiant pilot who just to name one example don’t even have PDC…..

You’re seriously talking about getting a clearance as working harder… LOL. Out and back is a whole of hell lot easier than 4 legs and 12+ hr duty days.

SladeTin 12-08-2022 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by bdflying (Post 3546506)
You’re seriously talking about getting a clearance as working harder… LOL. Out and back is a whole of hell lot easier than 4 legs and 12+ hr duty days.

PDC is definitely a stretch, but there are tons of 4 leg 12+ hour duty days here too. We just do them for half the pay of everywhere else. Whatever base you’re in must be one of the lucky ones if you can avoid them.

TangoIndiaMike1 12-08-2022 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by SladeTin (Post 3546626)
PDC is definitely a stretch, but there are tons of 4 leg 12+ hour duty days here too. We just do them for half the pay of everywhere else. Whatever base you’re in must be one of the lucky ones if you can avoid them.

home every night = 4 leg days 3 days in a row to min rest in your bed with pushed show times?


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