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Captainfit2 12-03-2022 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by flydiamond (Post 3541830)
3, 4 and 6 pilots waiting for those bases, respectively, so *not* being offered to new hires, and the wait could be 2 months after training or 2 years since each one is so small. It's incredibly hard to say especially as hiring has slowed to a trickle and with each base being so small. Past performance does not indicate future results.We have pilots hired in Dec 21 who can't hold IWA and that base was going to new hires in Summer 21. Be sure to factor the cost of a shared apartment or such into your pay cut as many of our bases don't have crash pads and/or the schedule is too not conducive to one. And yea with management passing regressive language to the union the whole NMB process will likely need to play out which can take years.

Thank you for the insight, I didn’t want the recruiters to sell me a dream. What is the reason that hiring has slowed, is the company bleeding FOs to legacies still?

Captainfit2 12-03-2022 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 3541878)
I second the above if you come here plan on working for a while under the current agreement - as an example the 3 most senior FO’s at a certain base were recently all awarded reserve - Allegiant cheerleaders go ahead and rationalize that one. At least a couple more years of the current CBA also plan financial reserves for eventual possible self-help.If you can afford the first year & want to live in one of the small bases & have the patience to maybe wait up to a year to get it then it could be a fit for those independently wealthy or otherwise not concerned with maximizing earnings/retirement.

I love the concept, I wish things would improve for you guys. It seems like a lot of grief currently.

Captainfit2 12-03-2022 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by TangoIndiaMike1 (Post 3541931)
Probably more then 30k because you will be on reserve and not able to pick anything up. Make sure you calculate $56 an hour at 70 hours. No bonus, No profit sharing, and senior guys all get the 200% pay. VFN. Your better off upgrading and getting that regional CA pay which is better then any FO pay you will ever get at allegiant.


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That’s on the table, I’m a bit apprehensive to leave with Regional CA pay being 150 these days. I have a interview at F9 as well. Ultimate goal is to be at the legacies, not sure if getting a 320 type will speed that up, or hanging in there for upgrade. Love the concept of Allegiant, and would love to be VPS CA, could see myself making that a career. But F9 may be a better option.

V2cut 12-03-2022 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by Captainfit2 (Post 3542298)
Thank you for the insight, I didn’t want the recruiters to sell me a dream. What is the reason that hiring has slowed, is the company bleeding FOs to legacies still?

The company is losing FO’s to regionals and the big 4.

flydiamond 12-03-2022 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by JediCheese (Post 3542233)
It really depends. I wouldn't mind being the bottom pilot at a small base. You are the only reserve for 3 flights a day (AM or PM bank that you are legal for). So if none of the 3 pilots in your seat call in sick, you aren't getting used. Even better is once the flights leave, there's no extra airplanes around and you are free. So your reserve is really covering 3 pilots and is only for ~4 hours.

IWA/LAS/FL are different beasts. It's more airline like and being a reserve means you're the reserve covering 15+ flights (plus MX and ferry flights). It's highly likely someone is going to call in sick so you're getting used and due to the schedule there is a constant dribble of flights outside the big pushes.

I was more referring to being able to get one's desired base when so little hiring is happening. I agree the small base reserve isn't a bad deal. I bet that it goes way more senior if a new contract increases total days off, pay etc on reserve.

flydiamond 12-03-2022 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by Lear24fr8 (Post 3542282)
I see FNT mentioned as a newhire option, is GRR also, or is it a senior small base and not likely available to a newhire?

GRR had 2 spots offered to a recent class, FNT had zero. While they may have been junior when they were new, that can quickly change when the bases are so small.

CRJdriver2017 12-03-2022 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by V2cut (Post 3542312)
The company is losing FO’s to regionals and the big 4.

Losing FO's to regionals should be a huge eye opener. But I guess enough planes aren't being parked or they plan to shrink.

tom11011 12-03-2022 08:27 AM

While anything can happen, all perspective new hires should plan for 6 months in FNT, DSM, KATW, or KABE.

Anything can happen though as we are rapidly losing pilots. If you actually live in one of the above cities this may be a great opportunity for you. Having said that it is unclear whether we can sustain our small base strategy or not.

Our lack of contract is really hurting us. And our managements tactic of now moving in a regressive direction has made everyone’s worst dreams come true in that it could be another year or 2 to get something done.

At this point, I personally am no longer worried about the contract but instead worry that we may not even survive as an airline. I think the focus should turn to merger with Sun Country or Frontier.

tailendcharlie 12-03-2022 08:45 AM

I think the next few months will be telling - do enough Allegiant pilots finally wake up & look past their next months’ home-every-night schedule to realize the long-term implications of missing this hiring wave? If you see attrition start to snowball to where it’s 25,30,40 per month then this place won’t be able to downsize or recalibrate fast enough to avoid meltdown.

If it continues at the current 15 or 20 per month then I think with some targeted base closings & downsizing they can still make it work enough to remain viable.

9easy 12-03-2022 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 3542493)
I think the next few months will be telling - do enough Allegiant pilots finally wake up & look past their next months’ home-every-night schedule to realize the long-term implications of missing this hiring wave? If you see attrition start to snowball to where it’s 25,30,40 per month then this place won’t be able to downsize or recalibrate fast enough to avoid meltdown.

If it continues at the current 15 or 20 per month then I think with some targeted base closings & downsizing they can still make it work enough to remain viable.

It'll only take a month or two of large attrition to bring things to meltdown mode. The downside with the microbase strategy is, if 3-4++ guys bail in a given month from a microbase, the base falls apart and basically shuts down. We saw this to a lesser extent earlier this year when half the LA FO's bailed in about a month.


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