Anyone who thinks a contract will happen in 2024 is delusional. We're at that point in the graveyard spiral scene where the airspeed is going up and pulling back further isn't helping. We're passing the Vno speed now. Can the ship be righted with minimal damage now? Sure. By 2024 we'll be beyond Vne and pulling the wings off this bird in a terminal dive.

We can still staff summer 2023 if we keep everyone AND we fill classes the next 3 months. If not, we're in a world of pain that no amount of bandaids will repair. Think of how much cutting we did this summer and pretend that's the best case for summer 2023?

The fact that it's in our investor calls is warning enough.

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I like that analogy. My favorite one a leaky damn. It’s already got a few leaks going over( pilots) and once a few more start leaving then it’s gonna bust.


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It's almost as if the management has given into some sort of Tiktok/Fox News/Zero Hedge narrative that a huge recession is coming and there is no need to worry about staffing up.

Allegiant management thought they could read the tea leaves during covid and they failed spectacularly. They furloughed into the biggest hiring wave in 2 decades, wasting tens of millions in training costs, alienated the remaining employees, and lost an opportunity to lock in pay rates at 2020 levels when the union would have probably been willing to take a Sun Country style contract. Now they're taking a second shot to whistle through the graveyard, by slow-rolling the contract negotiations while much better airlines are hiring as aggressively as possible.

All true, its been a pretty massive overall failure by them. They rolled the dice and put their union busting firm’s advice on top and lost a lot of revenue in the process.

In 2025 when we get a new contract, most of you guys are going to feel silly for all your posts.

If you only live one hour from ABE. After training apply to United. EWR is very junior. United hires a lot from Allegiant. Hiring 8000 over next 5 years. EWR has unfilled CA vacancies. Hiring into every airplane including 777/787. United dropped 4 year degree, TPIC and new mins 2350 total time.

23 Lehigh Valley resident & 35 United (ex CAL) pilot. No disrespect to Allegiant pilots but no comparison between both companies and long-term careers.

No offense dude, but you guys live 60% of your life in 10x30 hotel rooms.

If you’re commuting,to a narrowbody fleet type, maybe.
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I know a Delta A330 pilot near me who bids reserve & often has to hit the sim to stay current.
At a legacy you can find a niche to suit your taste if you want to be home.

If this stalemate continues much longer gonna be a lot of Allegiant folks who fit your description.

Its been a good ride but nothing lasts forever.

Indeed. Maury finally ran into a riddle that “we’re smarter/we’re different” isn’t gonna solve….