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tailendcharlie 12-03-2022 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by 9easy (Post 3542867)
It'll only take a month or two of large attrition to bring things to meltdown mode. The downside with the microbase strategy is, if 3-4++ guys bail in a given month from a microbase, the base falls apart and basically shuts down. We saw this to a lesser extent earlier this year when half the LA FO's bailed in about a month.

Good point. The thing that mystifies me….all these folks in around the 200-600 sen. list range in FL LAS & IWA always bemoaning the lack of movement in their base after all these years….uh, hello? I think the company’s gotten off easy so far; by rights those bases should be emptying out at double triple the attrition we’ve seen up ‘till now.

JediCheese 12-03-2022 04:26 PM

This is a cushy airline gig. You don't quite make legacy pay, but you also don't work as hard as a legacy pilot.

I compare it to being a lifer at a regional. You make enough pay to make it worthwhile and have a secure job that runs on autopilot. Why mess with a good thing when you'd have to apply and interview at a legacy, then go through training, and start at the bottom (and likely commute for a while). It's going to absolutely destroy a year of your life vs settling for a decent life at Allegiant.

tom11011 12-03-2022 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by JediCheese (Post 3542895)
This is a cushy airline gig. You don't quite make legacy pay, but you also don't work as hard as a legacy pilot.

I compare it to being a lifer at a regional. You make enough pay to make it worthwhile and have a secure job that runs on autopilot. Why mess with a good thing when you'd have to apply and interview at a legacy, then go through training, and start at the bottom (and likely commute for a while). It's going to absolutely destroy a year of your life vs settling for a decent life at Allegiant.

if you are in the top 40% and a captain in your chosen base.

tailendcharlie 12-03-2022 06:17 PM

The days of “not quite” making legacy pay are ending….the disparity is becoming jaw-dropping….

TangoIndiaMike1 12-03-2022 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by JediCheese (Post 3542895)
This is a cushy airline gig. You don't quite make legacy pay, but you also don't work as hard as a legacy pilot.

I compare it to being a lifer at a regional. You make enough pay to make it worthwhile and have a secure job that runs on autopilot. Why mess with a good thing when you'd have to apply and interview at a legacy, then go through training, and start at the bottom (and likely commute for a while). It's going to absolutely destroy a year of your life vs settling for a decent life at Allegiant.


Enjoy training brand new ATP’s who never flew a jet and are fresh off OE.

Sit pretty and let the company race to the bottom.

CRJdriver2017 12-04-2022 03:33 AM


Originally Posted by JediCheese (Post 3542895)
This is a cushy airline gig. You don't quite make legacy pay, but you also don't work as hard as a legacy pilot.

I compare it to being a lifer at a regional. You make enough pay to make it worthwhile and have a secure job that runs on autopilot. Why mess with a good thing when you'd have to apply and interview at a legacy, then go through training, and start at the bottom (and likely commute for a while). It's going to absolutely destroy a year of your life vs settling for a decent life at Allegiant.

I turned down Allegiant because I didn’t wanna be stuck commuting. Not much movement there it sounds like. Plus I didn’t wanna wait a decade to move to the left seat either. How hard do legacy pilots work exactly? Seems like a vague statement.

tailendcharlie 12-04-2022 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by CRJdriver2017 (Post 3543107)
I turned down Allegiant because I didn’t wanna be stuck commuting. Not much movement there it sounds like. Plus I didn’t wanna wait a decade to move to the left seat either. How hard do legacy pilots work exactly? Seems like a vague statement.

Probably the better way to phrase it is legacy pilots, at least narrowbody domestic types, spend more time sitting around. I would argue since they work for mature companies with robust infrastructure, decades of experience running a real airline, & work under a proper CBA, they work less hard than the Allegiant pilot who just to name one example don’t even have PDC…..

Vettekid 12-05-2022 03:46 AM


Originally Posted by tailendcharlie (Post 3542493)
I think the next few months will be telling - do enough Allegiant pilots finally wake up & look past their next months’ home-every-night schedule to realize the long-term implications of missing this hiring wave? If you see attrition start to snowball to where it’s 25,30,40 per month then this place won’t be able to downsize or recalibrate fast enough to avoid meltdown.

If it continues at the current 15 or 20 per month then I think with some targeted base closings & downsizing they can still make it work enough to remain viable.

Don't discount the home every night aspect. I get that it's not a big deal to some, but it's huge for some guys. I'm happy to leave money on the table if I can truly be home every night. Sadly, it looks like allegiant has other problems in the mix, being sent TDY is kind of a deal like to the home every night selling point. If it weren't for the threat of TDY I probably wouldn't even be looking elsewhere. But I don't want to sign up to be home every night in another town. Pay does need to come up some, but it doesn't have to match Delta.

tom11011 12-05-2022 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by Vettekid (Post 3543851)
Don't discount the home every night aspect. I get that it's not a big deal to some, but it's huge for some guys. I'm happy to leave money on the table if I can truly be home every night. Sadly, it looks like allegiant has other problems in the mix, being sent TDY is kind of a deal like to the home every night selling point. If it weren't for the threat of TDY I probably wouldn't even be looking elsewhere. But I don't want to sign up to be home every night in another town. Pay does need to come up some, but it doesn't have to match Delta.

In order to eliminate tdy we would have to eliminate the less desirable bases.

V2cut 12-05-2022 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by Vettekid (Post 3543851)
Don't discount the home every night aspect. I get that it's not a big deal to some, but it's huge for some guys. I'm happy to leave money on the table if I can truly be home every night. Sadly, it looks like allegiant has other problems in the mix, being sent TDY is kind of a deal like to the home every night selling point. If it weren't for the threat of TDY I probably wouldn't even be looking elsewhere. But I don't want to sign up to be home every night in another town. Pay does need to come up some, but it doesn't have to match Delta.

Don’t discount the reality of it all. The day trips are not contractual and they could go away. There is absolutely no reason our pay should be a penny less than any other A320 pilot. We are all A320 pilots taking off and landing at a lot of the time more challenging airports than most with less resources. Whether you’re employed by Delta, United, Alaska or any other airline that operates an A320 at the end of the day you are an A320 pilot with almost 200 souls on board. Take the name and paint off the plane. It’s extremely simple.


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