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07-09-2023 | 09:34 PM
#121
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it’s not even leverage or bargaining strategy because it is absurd on its face. But go ahead guys keep drinking the kool aid that someday we will have the best work rules in the world (better than every legacy including delta) and legacy pay.
No wonder management is laughing at us… union wont put any pressure on management until the union gets realistic - then the NMB will be forced to consider releasing and the threat of self help will actually move the needle.
as long as we are on mars negotiating by ourselves, management is getting a free pass.
07-10-2023 | 02:34 AM
#122
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Not happening, I’ll watch this place go out of business before that. We get same as everyone else, tell your management peers what has been said here.
07-10-2023 | 04:14 AM
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07-10-2023 | 08:55 AM
#124
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07-10-2023 | 08:58 AM
#125
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I don’t have any peers in management to tell but don’t worry. Someone is letting them know.
07-10-2023 | 09:04 AM
#126
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Less than industry average is what is being offered. We aren't talking about legacy, just the average of the 320/737 pax operators in the US that have a union and a CBA. Take the min day rig for example, there is no reason to accept what everyone else in the industry already has (5hrs) especially when the company is considering adding a significant amount of multi-day trips. The union is being more than reasonable with work rules and language, it's not Delta or above only like Nate and rdnck keep implying.
07-10-2023 | 03:46 PM
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Allegiant won’t go out of business. You make less money, have no language improvement and the company gets a huge labor discount. That’s what holding out for an ILC at allegiant does.
I don’t have any peers in management to tell but don’t worry. Someone is letting them know.
I don’t have any peers in management to tell but don’t worry. Someone is letting them know.
07-10-2023 | 07:49 PM
#128
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Less than industry average is what is being offered. We aren't talking about legacy, just the average of the 320/737 pax operators in the US that have a union and a CBA. Take the min day rig for example, there is no reason to accept what everyone else in the industry already has (5hrs) especially when the company is considering adding a significant amount of multi-day trips. The union is being more than reasonable with work rules and language, it's not Delta or above only like Nate and rdnck keep implying.
07-10-2023 | 08:01 PM
#129
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That's not true. Other airlines have 0% unstack, but they also have a staffing model to go along with it. We would be the first to have 0% unstack and no staffing model, ie pure 100% seniority.
07-10-2023 | 09:33 PM
#130
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Spirit, JB, Hawaiian, frontier, Alaska also have nav and none of them have close to 0% unstack. Delta is industry leading in unstack with pbs.
Facts are stubborn things…
