avi8t

What are the numbers that they say they are planning on hiring right now? Also, are the locals usually starting early and ending late with a sit in the middle or start early end early/start late end late?

Uncle Wurmy

Please read back through the last few months' posts on G4.

There is no normal. They can have the trips be anything they want, and when you get used to that, they can and will change it. The top guys in base are sitting reserve because the company wanted to do that, even though that's not what seniority would dictate. There is a war on the pilots.

No one can tell you when you are going to get to a certain base, hold a line, if they are going to do away with bases and make everything virtual, when you will upgrade, which equipment you will go to, if they will recognize your seniority or not on any given day, or if the operation will even be going next month.

If you are determined to go to G4, just be sure you have your strike fund ready. If you have any other options, I would seriously consider those.

full of luv

Thunder,
Morale in the air force varies mildly compared to what morale will swing on the line at an airline.
When things are growing/advancing everyone is happy. When stagnation/cuts take place almost no one is happy.
The military at least has a process that they follow and although the numbers may change there is advancement boards and a process that must be followed.
Corporate airlines have no such thing. You are a part number in the production line and when they cut production, everyone feels the pain especially the junior part numbers.
With all due respect, as a military retiree you really should be looking at some airlines that have a more established track record with management because all signs at Allegiant right now point to a long contested war between employees and mgmt. They are still in the mode that the more you can take from the employees the more you can make and aren't there to produce a long term quality product.
Godspeed. LUV

Thunderpig

Really...the military has a process it follows? Have you talked to any of the guys who wanted to separate but couldn't be let go or the ones who had just shown up in theater, been there a for a month and then are told that they are out of the service in two months, thereby taking someone away who was already there and now displacing another person who might not have been eligible for deployment for a year or so in the future? I have, sounds an awful lot like furloughs and TDY displacements...and the idea that AF managers are somehow smarter or better than the managers that G4 has is laughable. People are people and when you hire managers rather than leaders, that is what you get. Managers don't have a clue about making the mission happen by listening to their people and establishing a proper give and take. Managers dictate...and that is what the AF has become, slowly and inexorably, yet another Peter Principle operation in action. As to looking to greener pastures...that stuff tends to be pretty arbitrary, you see people *****ing and moaning at SWA/DAL/AA/UAL...dictating what others' motivations and ambitions are doesn't really work too well.

labbats

I hear your argument and understand your frustration. However, I challenge you to report back to this thread in one year and post again.

Xbone

Thunder, did you encounter a leadership who’s sole purpose in life was to take everything away from you. Your pay, your quality of life, your retirement? When the subject of our **** 401k came up, one of our pilots asked, “well what about our retirements?” The response was: “I suggest getting into real-estate.”

CornRecce

Is there any other airline management that treats their people a whole lot better than this? SWA? Alaska? Delta is right now treating people well. I know for a fact United management is treating their people poorly. FedEx isn't going swimingly.

I just think there is more "bads" than "goods"

Packrat

Sometimes with even the ones that look good there is a dark underside.

AZbound

This statement is very telling. It doesn't seem like you did your homework before coming here. Hopefully I'm reading into this wrong... Like some of the others have mentioned, I think in a year (if not sooner), the honeymoon phase will be over.

CLMP

All of the airlines you mentioned have compensation packages that, to put it mildly, DESTROY ours. When a pilot is compensated well, he or she has an increased tolerance for managerial pain. As one of our more respected pilots put it, "you can treat me like crap or you can pay me like crap, but you can't do both."

Allegiant does both exceptionally well.