Originally Posted by CornRecce

Is there any other airline management that treats their people a whole lot better than this? SWA? Alaska? Delta is right now treating people well. I know for a fact United management is treating their people poorly. FedEx isn't going swimingly.

I just think there is more "bads" than "goods"

Originally Posted by Thunderpig

Really...the military has a process it follows? Have you talked to any of the guys who wanted to separate but couldn't be let go or the ones who had just shown up in theater, been there a for a month and then are told that they are out of the service in two months, thereby taking someone away who was already there and now displacing another person who might not have been eligible for deployment for a year or so in the future? I have, sounds an awful lot like furloughs and TDY displacements...and the idea that AF managers are somehow smarter or better than the managers that G4 has is laughable. People are people and when you hire managers rather than leaders, that is what you get. Managers don't have a clue about making the mission happen by listening to their people and establishing a proper give and take. Managers dictate...and that is what the AF has become, slowly and inexorably, yet another Peter Principle operation in action. As to looking to greener pastures...that stuff tends to be pretty arbitrary, you see people *****ing and moaning at SWA/DAL/AA/UAL...dictating what others' motivations and ambitions are doesn't really work too well.

Originally Posted by CLMP

Thunderpig, methinks you jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire. I hope I'm wrong, however.

The complaining at SWA/DAL/AA/UA equate to a guy complaining that the car wash left water spots on his Bentley. We're the homeless guy with the shopping cart overhearing the conversation from under a nearby tree. Everything is relative.

Originally Posted by CLMP

Thunderpig, methinks you jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire. I hope I'm wrong, however.

The complaining at SWA/DAL/AA/UA equate to a guy complaining that the car wash left water spots on his Bentley. We're the homeless guy with the shopping cart overhearing the conversation from under a nearby tree. Everything is relative.

Originally Posted by avi8t

What are the numbers that they say they are planning on hiring right now? Also, are the locals usually starting early and ending late with a sit in the middle or start early end early/start late end late?

Originally Posted by eagleatr

Last numbers I heard were 60-80 before the end of the year. At the rate people are quitting and getting fired.

Originally Posted by Ultralight

Just curious, what are people getting fired for?

Originally Posted by Thunderpig

Really...the military has a process it follows? Have you talked to any of the guys who wanted to separate but couldn't be let go or the ones who had just shown up in theater, been there a for a month and then are told that they are out of the service in two months, thereby taking someone away who was already there and now displacing another person who might not have been eligible for deployment for a year or so in the future? I have, sounds an awful lot like furloughs and TDY displacements...and the idea that AF managers are somehow smarter or better than the managers that G4 has is laughable. People are people and when you hire managers rather than leaders, that is what you get. Managers don't have a clue about making the mission happen by listening to their people and establishing a proper give and take. Managers dictate...and that is what the AF has become, slowly and inexorably, yet another Peter Principle operation in action. As to looking to greener pastures...that stuff tends to be pretty arbitrary, you see people *****ing and moaning at SWA/DAL/AA/UAL...dictating what others' motivations and ambitions are doesn't really work too well.