I would guess the bases doing overnights, at least to start out, would be: IWA, LAS, SFB, PIE, and maybe BLI. I think you will see overnights in cities currently served by those bases as a way to connect the East Coast to LAS.

 

Brace for impact.

No contract (not for awhile anyways) + new overnights + no real work rules + company's love for "flexibility" = Terrible QOL and misery for the pilot group. Don't plan on any guarantee of days off even if you live in base, nevermind commuters

FWIW my buddy who is an FO at RAH just cancelled his interview there due to the new contract. As a 3rd going on 4th year FO 170/175 he'll beat a 2nd year FO at G4 with more time off. Hopefully a reduction in pilots coming over from RAH will shrink the pilot pool a bit.

 

Yeah, new "Mav Mail" just issued mentions the NMB refused to release us & has scheduled more mediated negotiations early Dec. That ought to be a fun session to attend!!

 

But what about the shiny airbus..... and being home every night?

 

I really doubt a 4th year RAH fo makes more than $70 an hour. Even with all the work rules in the world, that statement is a stretch. Maybe if he uses every trick in the contract, then it might be close.

 

Another public appearance by the Allegiant CEO


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"Congratulations to Allegiant CEO Maury Gallagher - 2015 Tony Jannus Distinguished Aviation Society Award Honoree!"

 

Well, we we're just talking in generalities we didn't do the exact math, but consider this...

I think with his new rate (they get yearly increases and DOS+1,+2 increases etc.) He'll be at something like 45/hr when he hits year four pay and that is x 75/hr guarantee. They've also got trip rigs, duty rigs, and all the trimmings. He said he's confident his average month will increase from 90-95 hours credit up too about 110 hours credit. He hawks a lot of open time. They also automatically get 150% and 200% pay if they exceed certain flight hour minimums each month. Per diem (while technically not pay) I think he said was like 1.85 or 2.00/hr now? More money on your mid month paycheck. 75% DHD pay also.

Now G4, 70/hr sure, but times 70 hour guarantee. Almost no work rules or soft pay (except for the 130% over 81). Have to do some training? That's paid at $80/day regardless (at RAH it was something like 4 hours). I also remember when I was at RAH that you got 50% hourly pay for online training (I don't if there was an improvement on this in they're new TA) so your yearly anniversary when you would get a pay bump you'd also see 90-100 credit with the training pay. At G4? Any month with training is usually a wash. And of course, 1.00/hr per diem and whatever that wierd DHD rule is. $20/hr for DHD's only if you break guarantee (I've heard different interpretations of that), might as well not even get it.

I haven't even touched schedule, when my friend there wants max days off and doesn't want to work? He can consistently get 15-16 off, sometimes 17. G4? LOL the #1 in base can't even get that some months...

So maybe he was exaggerating a little? but not by much. I'm in no way inferring that G4 pilots are bailing to go to RAH, but the motivation for them to come here just dropped quite a bit.

 

Negotiations progress chart from Allegiant headquarters:
http://www.g4pilots.com/negotiation-tracker/

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There is a class of 40 scheduled for December 1st, should be interesting if they fill it or not.

 

I was at RAH for almost 7 years. I have been at Allegiant for more than a year now, and if you think that even with the new contract RAH is better than coming here you're full of it. I am home waaaayyyyy more here than I was commuting at RAH. But like it has been preached before YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN BASE. This place is a lot better than doing 4 to 5 legs per day being away from home 4-5 days per week. Your buddy can have that $hit He won't make anywhere near a second year FO here at Allegiant, even with the new contract. I never got anywhere near an average of 90-95 hours average credit, and if he was picking up open time to do that he was going directly against the union's instructions in doing so. (That would be like us if we picked up mission modes.) You're buddy was getting 15-16 days off a month when they are short some 500 pilots because nobody wanted to go there because of negotiations? Ya no I don't think so... maybe in September. Last time I checked everybody was working their asses off.

Furthurmore the deadhead pay still sucks compared to the rest of the industry. I've read their contract you only get 150% if you go over something like 85 hours per month FLIGHT TIME not credit (which you rarely get). Let's skip to the chase your buddy just wanted the bonus check and that's about it.

Stop talking for the entire pilot group, it's getting old and your bull**** only goes so far. Your opinion is your opinion, just because nobody else is getting on here and going all keyboard commando like you does not give you the right to scare people away because you think you're right.

Been here over a year. Would love a contract, but if you think your buddy made a good choice by staying at RAH and he had the chance to live in base at G4 you're smoking some good stuff.