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10-27-2015 | 12:54 PM

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G4 management...wants to call us a regional.

Not doubting you at all, just wondering where you saw this?

10-27-2015 | 12:55 PM

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It appears there's no progress on negotiations... yet again. I wonder how long the mediator will wait until he/she decides to release the parties.

Any news/rumors regarding more new hire classes for 2015?

From the IBT email, it could be soon. The mediator cancelled the second day of negotiations and sent everybody home.

10-27-2015 | 01:10 PM

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From the IBT email, it could be soon. The mediator cancelled the second day of negotiations and sent everybody home.

Saw that today. Could be read 2 ways. Either the company's proposals are ridiculous or the fact the union didn't even want to counter could be bad. Either way there was no progress made and another negotiating session gone.

10-27-2015 | 01:53 PM

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Management did not counter our scope proposal as well, which they have had over a month now to respond to and came back with nothing. Allegiant negotiators have come month after month dragging their feet and refusing to counter our proposals. Allegiant manufactured “Pay Band” rates, that do not surpass jetblue 190 rates is not negotiating in the realm of our peers.

The mediator has seen all of the cards on the table and is going to stop wasting everyone's time. Since all subsequent sessions are now cancelled and none scheduled, means there will be a decision made.

I applaud the fact the negotiators aren't responding to Allegiant's "Pay band". In what category of airline is a pay band system in place today? Answer: None. Doesn't get anymore ridiculous than that.

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10-27-2015 | 02:08 PM

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Maybe the Company is now looking at RAH's new contract with FO starting pay comparable to ours??

Our new "peer group?? :0

10-27-2015 | 02:14 PM

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Maybe the Company is now looking at RAH's new contract with FO starting pay comparable to ours??

Our new "peer group?? :0

And RAH’s contract has “Union Security”, compulsory dues check off. Not that I agree with Mav’s new and improved “Managing of expectations” strategy of changing once again who we should be measured by. Allegiant management wants no dues check off, pay rates that are like RAH’s and less than Jetblue 190 rates.

I don't see how the mediator and the nmb can take these people seriously.

10-27-2015 | 02:49 PM

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Some of the stuff the company threw out is just ridiculous. Have pilots drive up to 50k miles a year driving between domiciles?? Are you kidding me?

10-27-2015 | 03:00 PM

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If our union negotiators had countered to the “Pay Band” reward system, they would have legitimized its existence. And that would have been the basis for compensation; Pay Band. Anyone who isn't a rich 1000/hr Fordharrison attorney would agree that's a non starter. Shrewd and wise move not to do so.

10-27-2015 | 03:01 PM

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Some of the stuff the company threw out is just ridiculous. Have pilots drive up to 50k miles a year driving between domiciles?? Are you kidding me?

If a pilot has minimum days off every month (worked 20), they would have to drive over 200 miles every day they worked all year. As much as I'd like to agree, the number is way off and B. Let the limo driver do it.

10-27-2015 | 04:03 PM

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Ok guys serious question. Only a hypothetical of course. What if the worse possible scenario for allegiant management occurs; nmb grants our unions proffer request. 30 day cooling off, we reject arbitration, not sayin that would happen.

We have a mandated system chief pilot required by faa regs, then we have all these enforcer types around the system, our base chiefs. If we were to lock out and strike, what would be the accepted protocol to be considered a scab? Who gets a pass?