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Old 12-10-2017 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by CAirBear
Can you recap for those of that are newish?

I don’t see how they can have 110 airplanes and never grow the list.
They're speaking to their audience, Wall Street wants efficiencies so that's what they show them. The company knows in reality that those numbers won't work. Expect more pilots and more planes sooner than later.
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Old 12-10-2017 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CAirBear
Can you recap for those of that are newish?

I don’t see how they can have 110 airplanes and never grow the list.
Well I'll just say that it would not surprise me at all for the company to claim no growth like they are doing for 2018 then all of the sudden announce more airplanes and cities. It does happen. The company is opportunistic as far as trying to find 10-20 year old A320s when they become available.

But for now, in 2018, with the retirement of the MD80, we will actually shrink from 89 aircraft to 82 aircraft. With the consolidation of the fleet type, the pilot count per aircraft will shrink from 9.8 to 7.6 in 2020. The only projected growth is 6 more airplanes in 2019 and another 6 in 2020. That puts our fleet count at 94 in 2020, not 110. There are currently 908 pilots on our seniority list including management pilots and instructors.
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Old 12-10-2017 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CAirBear
Can you recap for those of that are newish?

I don’t see how they can have 110 airplanes and never grow the list.
Recap: I told everyone back in August that this was coming and that we were going to stop the hiring boom for the near future. Everyone told me I was stupid and some even called me a liar. Then when it was announced they all told me I still wasn't right and it was just temporary. Now it appears they are starting to realize it's not temporary. Strange things are afoot. Grab the horns and hold on tight.
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Old 12-10-2017 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ecam
Recap: I told everyone back in August that this was coming and that we were going to stop the hiring boom for the near future. Everyone told me I was stupid and some even called me a liar. Then when it was announced they all told me I still wasn't right and it was just temporary. Now it appears they are starting to realize it's not temporary. Strange things are afoot. Grab the horns and hold on tight.
You crazy liar. J/k... But we will have 110 to 120 AB soon and be back to hiring as soon as we get out arms around the transition
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Old 12-10-2017 | 08:11 PM
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You crazy liar. J/k... But we will have 110 to 120 AB soon and be back to hiring as soon as we get out arms around the transition
EL was at the training center this past week. I was there for RGS. He is directly involved with the hiring process. The way he was talking was April-May and then starting up again. Our sims are near 100% capacity right now with the transition.
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Old 12-11-2017 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
Well I'll just say that it would not surprise me at all for the company to claim no growth like they are doing for 2018 then all of the sudden announce more airplanes and cities. It does happen. The company is opportunistic as far as trying to find 10-20 year old A320s when they become available.

But for now, in 2018, with the retirement of the MD80, we will actually shrink from 89 aircraft to 82 aircraft. With the consolidation of the fleet type, the pilot count per aircraft will shrink from 9.8 to 7.6 in 2020. The only projected growth is 6 more airplanes in 2019 and another 6 in 2020. That puts our fleet count at 94 in 2020, not 110. There are currently 908 pilots on our seniority list including management pilots and instructors.
This is outdated info, the investor report the company issued last week shows 100 airframes by 2019 and 110 airframes by 2020. It's on the investor relations section of allegiant.com. Next year will be stagnant but 2019 will see huge (relative to the size of our company) growth, and 2020 should be good too, at 10% growth.
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Old 12-11-2017 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ecam
Recap: I told everyone back in August that this was coming and that we were going to stop the hiring boom for the near future. Everyone told me I was stupid and some even called me a liar. Then when it was announced they all told me I still wasn't right and it was just temporary. Now it appears they are starting to realize it's not temporary. Strange things are afoot. Grab the horns and hold on tight.
I’ll bet you a months salary that you were and are still wrong.
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Old 12-11-2017 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ecam
Recap:Everyone told me I was stupid and some even called me a liar.
But you're still stupid
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Old 12-11-2017 | 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ecam
Recap: I told everyone back in August that this was coming and that we were going to stop the hiring boom for the near future. Everyone told me I was stupid and some even called me a liar. Then when it was announced they all told me I still wasn't right and it was just temporary. Now it appears they are starting to realize it's not temporary. Strange things are afoot. Grab the horns and hold on tight.
Not sure why you enjoy being negative and proven right? United virtually stopped hiring for some of this year due to a training glut... Or perhaps they're about to merge with us and they were just getting things ready?
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Old 12-12-2017 | 07:28 AM
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Ad hominem is always the weakest form of criticism.
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