AA Class Drops
09-01-2018, 03:40 PM
#1331
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: EMB145 CA
Posts: 484
I believe with what is being spent on WO pilots in the current market, the Group 1 rates are very attractive. Putting the E2 airframe on our certificate would be a good move. This airframe is a good fit and AAL already has a rate to accept an order, but do we really need any more debt?
09-01-2018, 04:25 PM
#1332
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Joined APC: May 2010
Position: 787 FO
Posts: 253
Just for some amusing perspective: when I got hired in 2000, the drop was 7 ORD S80s with the balance being (30?) MIA 727 FEs. Some of those 80s were bid out of sequence by guys who either wanted Chicago badly or wanted badly not to be a 72 FE. Five of those guys I became permanently senior to when they bid down to get an 80. I've yet to be able to exercise that seniority over them since I've never been in the same domicile, but their names are etched in my brain as I await my chance!
09-01-2018, 04:34 PM
#1333
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Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 108
Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
Group 1 FO should be within $10 to $15 of group 2 FO. I’m a No vote without this (among other items
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).They already have 1st yr Envoy direct entry CA pilots starting out making 120K with signing bonus. More than a 10yr G1 FO at AA. It's crazy. Speaking of that it's more than any new hire makes at AA. Seems messed up a 1st yr wholly owned Envoy pilot can make more than a 1st yr AA pilot.
Last edited by Regionalsuck; 09-01-2018 at 04:47 PM.
09-03-2018, 05:39 AM
#1336
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 20
Between the 737, 320, and 190, which might bet a new hire back to DFW the fastest?
I have to assume that the 190 would be the longest due to withholding I’m hearing about, plus it would mean a second long-term training to get back to DFW.
I have to assume that the 190 would be the longest due to withholding I’m hearing about, plus it would mean a second long-term training to get back to DFW.
09-03-2018, 09:58 AM
#1337
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Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: DFW A320 FO
Posts: 586
Hard to say.
I’d probably say safest bet is a toss up between 737 and 320, but even the 190 might work out the same. The remaining 80s will be retiring next fall creating senior displacements into the others here and that may keep DFW movement slow, so the 190 lock might not even be a factor. But, to maximize your opportunity, I’d say choose one of the others. The 737 has been growing and more junior here for this year, but that may swap with more 321 deliveries starting up next year (and less 737s, maybe zero for a few years?). The unknown (afaik) is: what will replace the 80s, 737s or 320s? Also supposedly some growth in DFW coming which is good of course, but again don’t know specifics.
Most junior pilots in each awarded last bid are within about 100 seniority numbers of each other (141xx and 142xx, with 737 more junior).
I’d probably say safest bet is a toss up between 737 and 320, but even the 190 might work out the same. The remaining 80s will be retiring next fall creating senior displacements into the others here and that may keep DFW movement slow, so the 190 lock might not even be a factor. But, to maximize your opportunity, I’d say choose one of the others. The 737 has been growing and more junior here for this year, but that may swap with more 321 deliveries starting up next year (and less 737s, maybe zero for a few years?). The unknown (afaik) is: what will replace the 80s, 737s or 320s? Also supposedly some growth in DFW coming which is good of course, but again don’t know specifics.
Most junior pilots in each awarded last bid are within about 100 seniority numbers of each other (141xx and 142xx, with 737 more junior).
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