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10-05-2017, 05:03 AM
#201
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Originally Posted by patelam
I can’t believe I’m the one breaking this news to you, but SkyWest pilots voted in a 1% pay increase this year, none the following, and another 1% the next year. I wouldn’t be bragging about anything non union SkyWest has done, much less trying to vote out a union.
They call that under the RLA “pattern bargaining”. what your saying here and what I’m hearing from former SkyWest pilots are not jiving. I believe what I’m told from them.
10-05-2017, 05:16 AM
#202
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Originally Posted by Arado 234
aa73,
I seriously doubt that a change of union is going to change the DNA of this pilot group. Talk to ALPA members and you have similar reactions to attitude and lack of accountability over there. Remember our $3600 APA dinner? Happened over there on the ALPA side, too. I think the problem is (and I'll get a lot of heat over this) mainly generational. The standard "you'll be senior one day" doesn't work anymore, since a LOT of new hires had to spend years (some 10+) at regional airlines that were only intended to keep you employed for a max of 1 to 2 years (pre 9-11).
Talk to some LUS pilots and get a different perspective. If you want change, it has to come from within. ALPA is not going to fix people like TW in DFW who seems to milk the whole system. I am afraid that his perks will only increase with ALPA. The similarity to the pigs in "Animal Farm" seems to become more and more clear.
If you want change, DO something. Most of us didn't even bother to vote.
I seriously doubt that a change of union is going to change the DNA of this pilot group. Talk to ALPA members and you have similar reactions to attitude and lack of accountability over there. Remember our $3600 APA dinner? Happened over there on the ALPA side, too. I think the problem is (and I'll get a lot of heat over this) mainly generational. The standard "you'll be senior one day" doesn't work anymore, since a LOT of new hires had to spend years (some 10+) at regional airlines that were only intended to keep you employed for a max of 1 to 2 years (pre 9-11).
Talk to some LUS pilots and get a different perspective. If you want change, it has to come from within. ALPA is not going to fix people like TW in DFW who seems to milk the whole system. I am afraid that his perks will only increase with ALPA. The similarity to the pigs in "Animal Farm" seems to become more and more clear.
If you want change, DO something. Most of us didn't even bother to vote.
It used to be about “union” and unity in the past for me. No more. APA, ALPA, USAPA, blah blah blah. All hot air. Just keep spinning in the wind.
10-05-2017, 05:59 AM
#203
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Originally Posted by TRZ06
I do not think any union will solidify the AA group at this stage...maybe 10-15 years from now but not anytime soon. Unfortunately since the advent of the B scale in the mid eighties there have never been agreement on most issues and we are far more fragmented now than then. It will take time for the seniority integration dissatisfaction to heal if ever. The best thing we could do is match our counterparts at Delta and United. By the time the next contract comes around we will lag them both in most areas. Of course like always management will drag their feet and our unity will be tested and hopefully we stick together. Hasn't worked too well in the past but again, ALPA or APA, without a solid membership who represents us doesn't make much of a difference.
It took going back to fundamentals of unionism and lots of face to face to get it done not email ad nauseam.
I read this entire thread in one sitting - RTE66 you are demoralizing future would be unionists with your diatribe and hatred for your parochial experience with representation. We all know you are still white hot livid with that but you do not honestly believe what you are saying and you know it. Better to posts the ideals that you would have others to aspire to rather than play the nihilist.
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10-06-2017, 03:25 AM
#204
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Originally Posted by Spoiler
I have seen it happen once at a regional then when the primary mover did not stay in the MEC became worse than before
It took going back to fundamentals of unionism and lots of face to face to get it done not email ad nauseam.
I read this entire thread in one sitting - RTE66 you are demoralizing future would be unionists with your diatribe and hatred for your parochial experience with representation. We all know you are still white hot livid with that but you do not honestly believe what you are saying and you know it. Better to posts the ideals that you would have others to aspire to rather than play the nihilist.
It took going back to fundamentals of unionism and lots of face to face to get it done not email ad nauseam.
I read this entire thread in one sitting - RTE66 you are demoralizing future would be unionists with your diatribe and hatred for your parochial experience with representation. We all know you are still white hot livid with that but you do not honestly believe what you are saying and you know it. Better to posts the ideals that you would have others to aspire to rather than play the nihilist.
Even the American Flight Attendants are getting into it. The LAA don’t want to merge with the LUS F/As and are hindering their merger by stonewalling the Company because of the DOH provision in their AFA constitution. Labor does it to themselves, Buddy, don’t lay that crap on my shoulders. Laying your Catholic guilt trip crap on me doesn’t work, I went to catholic schools.......I’m immune.
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