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Old 02-18-2018, 02:16 AM
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I’m stepping down from the committee so no longer in the loop on what goes on... However, nothing surprises me anymore. Send those soundoffs.
aa73, I am probably one of the most negative people out here and we probably didn't agree a lot, but I want to thank you for your time and dedication.

You actually deserve the right to complain because you tried to do something about issues here at AA/APA.
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Old 02-18-2018, 02:33 AM
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Last gossip I heard is that he wants to run for APA president.

Remember, he is the one (if my memory serves me right) that sued APA because of electronic voting. The reason or thought behind this is that the old timers will take the time to paper vote whereas the millennials won't bother with it.
That POS ran last time.

Our current POS is light years better than he would be.
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aa73, I am probably one of the most negative people out here and we probably didn't agree a lot, but I want to thank you for your time and dedication.

You actually deserve the right to complain because you tried to do something about issues here at AA/APA.
I wonder whether APA can be fixed.

So many people have tried (and failed) to turn this union into something approaching acceptability.

I think we will probably have to see about 1/3 of our pilots retire before we get rid of the cancer which leads to so many of our problems.

The large number of our pilots who just want to **** other pilots is extremely toxic. I don’t think there is a way to fix that.

(And TW does a masterful job of representing the “**** everyone else” component.)
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Congratulations to whoever revised the old rumor, for getting everybody fired up for something that not only has not been officially announced, but has actually been verified by a board member to not be true.

Over on the Facebook groups, at least 5-6 threads have popped up about the changes coming to revert the JS system to being seniority based. Among those was a post from somebody who posted his sound off and response, which said that this subject has not been a topic of discussion since 2015.

In the short time I’ve been here, I’ve heard this rumor repeatedly. I’m not sure why it get started recently, but I would guess it has to do with how sensitive everybody has become to proposals, in light of the AIP, LTD, LOS, etc., issues.

Just six months ago the JS committee managed to get a minor modification to the JS system that spelled out the PNR phonetically and converted the D2WA to D2WP if the D2WP cancelled. I talked to a member of the JS committee who told me that even that minor modification cost thousands of man hours. The company doesn’t give two craps about changing the JS system, and if you think they’re just going to completely overhaul it based on APA’s request, you’re dreaming.
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Old 02-18-2018, 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by jcountry View Post
I wonder whether APA can be fixed.

So many people have tried (and failed) to turn this union into something approaching acceptability.

I think we will probably have to see about 1/3 of our pilots retire before we get rid of the cancer which leads to so many of our problems.

The large number of our pilots who just want to **** other pilots is extremely toxic. I don’t think there is a way to fix that.

(And TW does a masterful job of representing the “**** everyone else” component.)
It will take a total cleanse of the old guys. They are disfumctional and not big picture people. They’ve been in the APA bubble too long. Time will fix this. We have some really great pilots getting involved now.
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Old 02-18-2018, 03:25 AM
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Congratulations to whoever revised the old rumor, for getting everybody fired up for something that not only has not been officially announced, but has actually been verified by a board member to not be true.

Over on the Facebook groups, at least 5-6 threads have popped up about the changes coming to revert the JS system to being seniority based. Among those was a post from somebody who posted his sound off and response, which said that this subject has not been a topic of discussion since 2015.

In the short time I’ve been here, I’ve heard this rumor repeatedly. I’m not sure why it get started recently, but I would guess it has to do with how sensitive everybody has become to proposals, in light of the AIP, LTD, LOS, etc., issues.

Just six months ago the JS committee managed to get a minor modification to the JS system that spelled out the PNR phonetically and converted the D2WA to D2WP if the D2WP cancelled. I talked to a member of the JS committee who told me that even that minor modification cost thousands of man hours. The company doesn’t give two craps about changing the JS system, and if you think they’re just going to completely overhaul it based on APA’s request, you’re dreaming.
But but but ... APA is not afraid giving stuff away! (especially if it wasn't invented here)

Remember the last-leg trip swap?
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Old 02-18-2018, 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Clint View Post
Congratulations to whoever revised the old rumor, for getting everybody fired up for something that not only has not been officially announced, but has actually been verified by a board member to not be true.

Over on the Facebook groups, at least 5-6 threads have popped up about the changes coming to revert the JS system to being seniority based. Among those was a post from somebody who posted his sound off and response, which said that this subject has not been a topic of discussion since 2015.

In the short time I’ve been here, I’ve heard this rumor repeatedly. I’m not sure why it get started recently, but I would guess it has to do with how sensitive everybody has become to proposals, in light of the AIP, LTD, LOS, etc., issues.

Just six months ago the JS committee managed to get a minor modification to the JS system that spelled out the PNR phonetically and converted the D2WA to D2WP if the D2WP cancelled. I talked to a member of the JS committee who told me that even that minor modification cost thousands of man hours. The company doesn’t give two craps about changing the JS system, and if you think they’re just going to completely overhaul it based on APA’s request, you’re dreaming.
I agree that the company will not change the IVR. It cost money and more importantly they know it gets pilots to work. The big point here is the union going in directions the membership doesn’t want and is detrimental to the QOL of the members. TW has stated this is not being pushed or even debated. I think he’s lying.
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Old 02-18-2018, 04:26 AM
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What’s your source on that? I’ve only heard Parker say that about retiree travel. He could care less about Jumpseat as that’s many many management levels below him. Doubt he even knows or cares. Reference every crew news ever.
Non rev isn't the same as jumpseat, he stated repeatedly in crew news that we weren't going back to seniority on pass travel.
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I can't even begin to imagine the programming complexity of a hybrid reservation system. It would have to "take bids" for the first few days then award the js to whomever was senior. Then revert to FCFS...

The amount of money it would cost would be astronomical and better spent elsewhere in the contract IMO.

I would much much much rather see the ability to book the js as we book regular D2 travel online, that would be better money spent.
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I can't even begin to imagine the programming complexity of a hybrid reservation system. It would have to "take bids" for the first few days then award the js to whomever was senior. Then revert to FCFS...
I was thinking about this yesterday, I agree. They claim that to be able to do a simple last leg swap is too much IT work. A hybrid system would be very complex from an IT perspective.

Clint,

You’re probably right, I did send a soundoff, but I worded it very nicely and I’m pretty sure they don’t get read anyway, so no harm no foul.
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